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and good afternoon from Philadelphia

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Frank here with an episode of UFO news

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network Sunday we've got a big panel a

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big show so let me get right to my

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co-host chant Hannah and she can

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introduce everybody and get the ball

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rolling how are you today champ I'm

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doing well Frank thank you so much this

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is going to be such a great show we have

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such a fabulous guest panel on our show

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today we're talking about the topic of

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UFO data the compilation of it and what

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does one do with it once they acquire it

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considering the UFO topic has always

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been a decentralized initiative it is

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not surprising the efforts to organize

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it have been similarly independent and

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uncoordinated with the rapid growth and

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the number of UFO sightings as folks

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have more access to technology to look

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at the sky use applications to do so and

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many other tech advances it is

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imperative UFO organizations have a good

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reliable system for data collection and

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the categorizing of it one goal and

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individuals regarding this distributed

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provide access to everything in the UFO

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integrated catalog today we have a huge

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panel of guests with with us to talk

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about how this 50 to 70 year old topic

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or possibly longer has grappled with the

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voluminous amount of UFO related data

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today on the show we have a Peter deed

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also have Earl Grey he was the director

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of Southern California move on and we

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California MUFON we also have scientist

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we have dr. irina scott who is the

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author of many UFO books ohio historian

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is written a book on that she is the

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great-great niece of grand niece of a

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let's see have I left anybody out I know

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there might be a few other folks anybody

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else Frank Jan we have John Aldridge of

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project 1947 Thank You Jan UFO he's

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actually he is a historian and

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researcher and then we also have the

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venerable Michael W Hall who has known

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Peter Davenport for years and he's been

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involved like you all have for decades

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Arizona when they were involved in the

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also a lawyer Michael W ha also known as

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the paranormal lawyer he has his own

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show and he also has his own UFO eye

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team so he covers this topic on a

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regular by the way I'd like to also

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mention Mark Dantonio has his own show

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also and we'll be talking about that

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to our panelists

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opportunity into a catalog a large

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it worldwide anybody want to go ahead

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and address that question Peter

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Internet I post to our website UFO

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center.com so anybody who is interested

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to our website so that's how we do it

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myself that's about all I'm able to do

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him regarding this topic and he did

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those Colin reports and then you

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actually shared that data with MUFON can

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investigation to any degree but when we

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follow-up investigation so we can try to

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trying to find more witnesses one of the

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encourage a caller after the call and

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intent of trying to get other witnesses

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which I investigate great thank you

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before I move on to the other guest I

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wanted to bring up something kind of

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funny to you Peter and not as I know

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everybody on this panel has had to deal

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with this kind of situation before and

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computerized it and that says it all I

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Brina word and I have started scanning

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the title and you can search for

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a it's a digital filing cabinet arranged

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topic and he said that you share your

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data with MUFON can you explain how that

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works we're not sharing the data we move

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but other things intervened so what

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MUFON okay that's probably what he meant

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on that do you work with MUFON in any

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way shape or form regarding the projects

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that you do well in the beginning of

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projects forty-seven yes I did I visited

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out there but not recently and except to

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be a member

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referring to regarding that topic okay

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thanks very much for that guy clearing

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that up okay just wanted to move along

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here to the folks involved with a MUFON

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director of Australia MUFON we have Earl

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Grey director of Southern California

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and I wanted to ask you all we all know

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how MUFON categorizes things Jan went

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over that very carefully how would you

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all categorize the compilation of UFO

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data would you continue on in the manner

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that MUFON does and then add extra

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categories or would you take them off

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would you centralize your effort and

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open up the vaults of the data to the

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whole world to other countries and work

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on that idea how would you do it can you

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hear me this is chant this ribbon and

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that really great to be on with some

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great panel

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the stair and one gentleman I also know

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there's several people there that I have

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a lot of respect but will everyone

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actually but one of the things that I

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see myself using the data as for

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educational purposes mainly the who what

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where when and what happened kind of

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situation and what I do is I'll gather

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that data in order to give reports

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either to at our meetings or mainstream

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organizations this let people know

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what's going on in our skies you know

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what is going on in it what's being what

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is what is considered as the UFO

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compared to the IFO where we get many of

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those reports so it's it's a matter of

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Education but one thing that I wanted to

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bring up when we were talking about the

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cardboard the catalog you know system

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that you that the in the libraries that

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you would go to research or find find a

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particular topic one of my former chief

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investigators sure Peter would remember

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him and in mark Stacy fridge myth put

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together a great project in he called it

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UFO weather map and what he did was he

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plotted the data from MUFON sightings as

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well as from new fork and and some other

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other date databases but basically he

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would plot it manually on a map and over

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a period of time this became really

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valuable this was before we had the that

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oh what the UFO stalker you know where

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it's automatic here where it's

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interactive but basically what what

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Steve would do would he would plot the

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location a symbol and everything and

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this became really useful in terms of

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the maps became useful each month to the

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state directors and I recall that when

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we had the Stevens

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flap back in 2008 Steve was able to plot

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these clusters of activity sightings you

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know throughout the Southwest and then

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you could see that but gradually you can

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see these these sighting reports

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shifting from one state one part of the

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state of Texas to the other and then you

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can see that you start seeing all the

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activity around the Stephenville area

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and this was really of interest to the

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state director at that time Kent cherry

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where he was involved with him and the

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state chapter was involved in the follow

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up and and investigations of the

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students Vil so the data is definitely

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very it's a very valuable tool and all

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the gentlemen that are involved in

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putting together this type of data it's

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you know it's it's valuable and it will

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be much more valuable as time moves

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along so that's I just wanted to make

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that sure comment there really

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appreciate that so much Rubin also

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wanted to bring into the huddle here dr.

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Irena Scott who was on the board of

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MUFON

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in the 2000s early 2000s I believe and

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then also a Mark Dantonio is an

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astronomer and has the sky watches sky

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watch show which is a very very popular

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show and has millions of listeners

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around the world I wanted to ask

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everybody there from MUFON feel free to

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jump in whoever wants to jump in first

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would you add an extra category or

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categories or take off shave off

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categories from the UFO compilation data

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effort what are your thoughts on this

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topic anyone so I think that was Roger I

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think I heard Roger syncovich a director

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of MUFON Australia go ahead yes sorry if

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I was talking there was somebody else

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there yeah I I saw the young the program

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we had on the with Jane recently and he

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obviously described a lot of the

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functionalities of the CMS of the case

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management system in move on

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and a little louder we just fit breasts

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sorry I'll just turn my volume up I'm

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not sure whether I'm gonna be turning it

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up or down can you hear me now much

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better yep much better okay so um I just

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said that I saw the video that chant had

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done with Jane house and the other day

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and Jane went into quite a bit of detail

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about how the CMS worked with MUFON

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which is the case management system and

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how he went through how it's not up to

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200 data points that we collect on on

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reports we don't collect 200 HP report

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but this is 200 there that we can we can

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actually obtain I think that we I think

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it would be pointless to put more data

382
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points there but to be able to use those

383
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data points in a meaningful scientific

384
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way is what we should be doing more

385
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often and what we need to do is to be

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able to select a data point and

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basically search for that particular

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material on that say for example I

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wanted to know how many orbs were being

390
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seen in a particular area in Australia

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or whatever you could there's a

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functionality within the CMS that

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enables you to be able to search for

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forms and a particular I'm not sure

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whether you can actually search a

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particular location but there's there's

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certain fields that you can actually put

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keywords in that will actually give you

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then a list of all the cases that have

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come up farm with with orbs sacred

401
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temple blue orbs or something like that

402
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that was seen by individuals that

403
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reported their sightings on the CMS I

404
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think that that should really happen

405
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more often people should be using the

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power and the the full functionality of

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it because I don't see that often I

408
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don't see it you know people publishing

409
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things in in articles in the mouflon

410
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newsletter using this useful

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functioning with you saying this all

412
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points

413
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I think dr. Rena Scott had wanted to say

414
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if he thinks dr. arena yes um one thing

415
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I think that needs more information on

416
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and I don't think it's even exactly a

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category now it's a witness's and it's

418
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set up like just if you're somebody on a

419
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shore looking at a boat describing you

420
00:21:34,580 --> 00:21:33,060
don't know in the case of UFOs where

421
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there's a relationship between the

422
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:38,790
witnesses and the sighting and you

423
00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:41,010
should be able to find out whether a

424
00:21:47,900 --> 00:21:45,510
witness has seen one or a number of UFOs

425
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what age they were when they saw them

426
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what kind of UFOs and that sort of thing

427
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even more information on witnesses would

428
00:21:58,570 --> 00:21:57,060
be important because a lot of people

429
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have said there are certain

430
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:02,730
characteristics are together if they

431
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found it like with witnesses that with

432
00:22:11,870 --> 00:22:10,080
things in common I think they need to

433
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add that category and get all the

434
00:22:17,420 --> 00:22:14,990
information on witnesses that they can

435
00:22:20,660 --> 00:22:17,430
that's wonderful thank you so much for

436
00:22:22,820 --> 00:22:20,670
that valuable input and I know Earl Grey

437
00:22:24,380 --> 00:22:22,830
and Mark Dantonio raring to talk here so

438
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you guys can fight it out as to who's

439
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gonna go next

440
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:33,770
no thank you

441
00:22:39,470 --> 00:22:37,890
this is Earl Grey and I'm assistant

442
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:39,480
state director in Southern California

443
00:22:43,460 --> 00:22:42,210
and chief investigator wanted to clear

444
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that up because we don't want to get

445
00:22:57,940 --> 00:22:45,660
Jeff Crouse angry he's actually the

446
00:23:00,530 --> 00:22:57,950
state directors email to Jeff then I

447
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:00,540
know a bunch of us are friends with Jeff

448
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,320
too so we want to play nice here but you

449
00:23:08,270 --> 00:23:06,480
know just talking about the CMS I'm a

450
00:23:13,610 --> 00:23:08,280
big fan of it I think it works really

451
00:23:15,700 --> 00:23:13,620
beautifully I mean you can put in you

452
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:15,710
know these subgenres

453
00:23:21,370 --> 00:23:19,520
of different I don't think that's right

454
00:23:24,010 --> 00:23:21,380
word but but you know if you're looking

455
00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:24,020
for a triangular craft you're looking

456
00:23:29,549 --> 00:23:27,049
for triangular craft that were up saying

457
00:23:32,889 --> 00:23:29,559
your Bakersfield or or in a particular

458
00:23:35,260 --> 00:23:32,899
region you can you can fund those you

459
00:23:37,210 --> 00:23:35,270
know but you have to click you do have

460
00:23:39,789 --> 00:23:37,220
to be proficient you have to have a

461
00:23:42,779 --> 00:23:39,799
little bit of literacy and computers you

462
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:42,789
know do it to be able to utilize it but

463
00:23:49,570 --> 00:23:46,610
you know just you you you can find what

464
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:49,580
you know search a certain period of time

465
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you can search for a particular shape of

466
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:57,980
a craft and region this time of day time

467
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:01,520
of evening so for me it really works

468
00:24:07,210 --> 00:24:04,690
very well and I do use the CMS that way

469
00:24:10,210 --> 00:24:07,220
you know recently we've had quite a few

470
00:24:14,139 --> 00:24:10,220
sightings of black triangular craft up

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in the SE Palmdale Bakersfield area and

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kind of up near the Mojave area and you

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know I it was really interesting to go

474
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back in time and to look and see how

475
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many of those had been seen in that area

476
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:28,370
and there's been a number of them from

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before I was working for MUFON

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so if you know how to use the CMS it's a

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beautiful tool a lot of you know the

480
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categories are based on dr. Jael and

481
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hynek's work you know just

482
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tried-and-true stuff and so I'm you can

483
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:49,159
see I'm a fan I if I could change one

484
00:24:56,019 --> 00:24:53,450
thing perhaps would be to say when we

485
00:24:59,680 --> 00:24:56,029
have SpaceX launches and stuff and we

486
00:25:02,139 --> 00:24:59,690
get like 20 UFO reports about the same

487
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:02,149
thing it might be nice if we had more

488
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:04,010
like a form letter or something that we

489
00:25:08,980 --> 00:25:06,770
could click that would categorize that

490
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:08,990
those cases instantly rather than have

491
00:25:12,940 --> 00:25:10,490
to spend a couple of hours because

492
00:25:15,820 --> 00:25:12,950
that's you know even if case is an IFO

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00:25:18,490 --> 00:25:15,830
or information only it still takes a

494
00:25:22,510 --> 00:25:18,500
good hour you know two or two hours you

495
00:25:25,870 --> 00:25:22,520
know for one case so I think that for

496
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:25,880
certain IFOS that are you know

497
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especially the SpaceX launches we have

498
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now or the

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00:25:32,590 --> 00:25:31,309
you know Jen Harrison was talking a

500
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little bit about the Star League

501
00:25:38,620 --> 00:25:36,320
satellite so we get a lot of reports on

502
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:38,630
that right now I will actually be asking

503
00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:40,610
ruben o diyate about that later and of

504
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course Mark Dantonio on the Starling

505
00:25:46,570 --> 00:25:44,750
topic but so we'll hold off on that

506
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:46,580
Starling topic until after we're done

507
00:25:52,180 --> 00:25:50,090
with this cataloging topic subject

508
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matter but I want to bring in Mark

509
00:25:57,220 --> 00:25:54,710
Dantonio and ask you and then Shane herd

510
00:25:58,810 --> 00:25:57,230
of course what would you do regarding

511
00:26:00,610 --> 00:25:58,820
the cataloging at the UFO topic would

512
00:26:03,159 --> 00:26:00,620
you do anything different or or stick

513
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:03,169
with the tried and true tactic well you

514
00:26:08,019 --> 00:26:05,330
know what we did is we have a number of

515
00:26:11,230 --> 00:26:08,029
via for instance identifications and

516
00:26:13,779 --> 00:26:11,240
dispositions as we call them in CMS or

517
00:26:15,850 --> 00:26:13,789
the case management system and when I'm

518
00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:15,860
doing photo or video analysis I try to

519
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:20,510
you know shoehorn if they fit some of

520
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:23,330
these objects into the given

521
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classifications as given in CMS but

522
00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:28,429
sometimes it's not that easy so there's

523
00:26:33,159 --> 00:26:30,769
a one called other and then you explain

524
00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:33,169
it in the in the case for instance in

525
00:26:38,169 --> 00:26:35,809
the disposition but one of the things

526
00:26:40,389 --> 00:26:38,179
that I think is needed which has really

527
00:26:42,820 --> 00:26:40,399
never been addressed I don't believe is

528
00:26:45,009 --> 00:26:42,830
the technical attitude you know

529
00:26:48,580 --> 00:26:45,019
technical aptitude of the people making

530
00:26:50,379 --> 00:26:48,590
the reports that is the witness now I

531
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:50,389
think you have to be careful with that

532
00:26:56,980 --> 00:26:52,880
because you don't want to have like you

533
00:26:58,299 --> 00:26:56,990
know categories like dummy smarter than

534
00:27:00,340 --> 00:26:58,309
normal dummy I mean you don't want that

535
00:27:02,529 --> 00:27:00,350
kind of thing obviously but you do want

536
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:02,539
to have some type of understanding of

537
00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:05,120
whether the person has any kind of an

538
00:27:11,259 --> 00:27:06,769
understanding of what you're looking at

539
00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:11,269
on this guy and give you an idea okay

540
00:27:17,549 --> 00:27:15,529
well for instance when you have well I

541
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:17,559
got two cases in the last two days and

542
00:27:22,620 --> 00:27:21,919
they both had out-of-focus images of the

543
00:27:25,090 --> 00:27:22,630
planet Venus

544
00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:25,100
now when Venus sets it's pretty dramatic

545
00:27:29,169 --> 00:27:27,529
it makes these really cool flashes on

546
00:27:31,060 --> 00:27:29,179
the horizon and in a camera they can

547
00:27:35,230 --> 00:27:31,070
look rainbowy colors it's really pretty

548
00:27:38,019 --> 00:27:35,240
and one of the guys sent me a video of

549
00:27:39,070 --> 00:27:38,029
this and said look this is Venus and I

550
00:27:41,769 --> 00:27:39,080
said well look here I have an

551
00:27:43,340 --> 00:27:41,779
observatory that I run and here's

552
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:43,350
picture of Venus that we took tonight

553
00:27:47,330 --> 00:27:45,450
same night that you took that and I

554
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:47,340
showed them the crescent of Venus you

555
00:27:52,460 --> 00:27:49,919
can actually see the shape the moon moon

556
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:52,470
like phase of Venus okay

557
00:27:56,090 --> 00:27:54,000
same thing with Mercury you can do the

558
00:27:57,799 --> 00:27:56,100
same well any planet closer to the Sun

559
00:27:59,390 --> 00:27:57,809
you can see that well I showed them that

560
00:28:01,370 --> 00:27:59,400
would be innocent he goes that's not

561
00:28:01,820 --> 00:28:01,380
Venus you don't know what you're talking

562
00:28:07,310 --> 00:28:01,830
about

563
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:07,320
now his technical aptitude with a camera

564
00:28:12,919 --> 00:28:10,080
was if you had the measure from zero to

565
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,929
ten it was probably a one-and-a-half but

566
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:14,640
the problem is he thinks is his attitude

567
00:28:19,399 --> 00:28:17,039
is a seven and a half so you have to

568
00:28:22,539 --> 00:28:19,409
kind of you know you have to judge

569
00:28:25,010 --> 00:28:22,549
people's technical aptitude as well and

570
00:28:26,390 --> 00:28:25,020
when he said the kind of camera I knew

571
00:28:27,740 --> 00:28:26,400
that he couldn't focus on a star with

572
00:28:30,860 --> 00:28:27,750
that kind of camera it didn't work for

573
00:28:32,690 --> 00:28:30,870
that the P 900 Nikon doesn't see stars

574
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:32,700
for instance can't I mean you can but

575
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:35,970
you can't focus on it well anyway so we

576
00:28:38,990 --> 00:28:36,960
have to have a way of measuring the

577
00:28:40,970 --> 00:28:39,000
technical aptitude of the people that

578
00:28:43,789 --> 00:28:40,980
are making these reports even if it's

579
00:28:45,770 --> 00:28:43,799
just based on the way they relay the

580
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,780
data there has to be some type of

581
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:48,000
category to say whether this person is

582
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:50,159
knowledgeable what's this person's

583
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:53,250
background you know are they capable of

584
00:28:59,149 --> 00:28:55,770
making the statements they're making and

585
00:29:03,200 --> 00:28:59,159
in other words are they believable and

586
00:29:04,990 --> 00:29:03,210
so then it actually becomes easier to

587
00:29:07,580 --> 00:29:05,000
understand what they might have seen

588
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:07,590
because if you know that the guy making

589
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:10,250
the call and the cases say an astronomer

590
00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:13,049
okay then I would say okay well then

591
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:15,929
obviously this guy knows astronomy he

592
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:17,730
knows what Venus is and it would be

593
00:29:21,470 --> 00:29:19,770
insulting to say what do you think you

594
00:29:23,450 --> 00:29:21,480
think is Venus and we get a lot of

595
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:23,460
reports where people say I'm not stupid

596
00:29:28,130 --> 00:29:25,679
I know what Venus looks like okay

597
00:29:29,779 --> 00:29:28,140
sometimes they're right but sometimes

598
00:29:30,860 --> 00:29:29,789
they're not and it's again that case

599
00:29:33,950 --> 00:29:30,870
where they think they know more than

600
00:29:36,380 --> 00:29:33,960
they do so it's a fine line but we have

601
00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:36,390
to have a way of measuring that even if

602
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:38,820
internally so that we can make a better

603
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:40,320
judgment as to what they may have seen

604
00:29:45,140 --> 00:29:41,850
okay when to bring up something

605
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:45,150
important and actually nearly everybody

606
00:29:50,659 --> 00:29:46,799
on this show is with us when we did this

607
00:29:54,399 --> 00:29:50,669
MUFON camp special show where we talked

608
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:54,409
about a person who might have a

609
00:29:59,370 --> 00:29:57,130
investigator might accompany

610
00:30:01,740 --> 00:29:59,380
another newbie investigator into a

611
00:30:03,930 --> 00:30:01,750
ufo-related investigation where I'm

612
00:30:06,660 --> 00:30:03,940
going with this is do we also need to

613
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:06,670
add in and that there were there was a

614
00:30:11,460 --> 00:30:09,250
veteran a UFO investigator and a newbie

615
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:11,470
investigator involved should that be a

616
00:30:16,770 --> 00:30:15,010
subcategory in a report behind the

617
00:30:19,020 --> 00:30:16,780
scenes so to speak so it doesn't show up

618
00:30:21,210 --> 00:30:19,030
in a public case you know the MUFON

619
00:30:23,460 --> 00:30:21,220
cases so that people can search publicly

620
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:23,470
but behind the scenes in the more

621
00:30:28,980 --> 00:30:25,210
private part of the database should that

622
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:28,990
be subcategory Marc personal feeling I

623
00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:31,090
think so and I know you're addressing

624
00:30:36,810 --> 00:30:34,840
everybody but yeah I'll just say I think

625
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:36,820
it should be something that stated

626
00:30:41,090 --> 00:30:38,890
because you don't know when you read a

627
00:30:44,190 --> 00:30:41,100
case sometimes you get the enthusiasm of

628
00:30:45,870 --> 00:30:44,200
younger fresh field investigator who

629
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:45,880
just wants to see every you know UFOs

630
00:30:49,950 --> 00:30:47,440
everywhere they look and it takes some

631
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:49,960
time to refine that I you know to

632
00:30:55,620 --> 00:30:52,570
understand that they're very elusive

633
00:31:00,330 --> 00:30:55,630
so okay wonderful thank you so very much

634
00:31:03,180 --> 00:31:00,340
I appreciate a chant check I just wanted

635
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:03,190
to say real briefly and how can our CMS

636
00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:06,250
we do have primary investigator and then

637
00:31:11,910 --> 00:31:09,310
we do have secondary investigator so

638
00:31:14,340 --> 00:31:11,920
that that's where we may have two people

639
00:31:17,070 --> 00:31:14,350
working on the case of course one a

640
00:31:20,370 --> 00:31:17,080
veteran and the other is a newbie but

641
00:31:28,860 --> 00:31:20,380
that that is indicated that's great to

642
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:28,870
know end up please so yeah I was going

643
00:31:35,850 --> 00:31:31,090
to elaborate a little bit on what Reuben

644
00:31:39,540 --> 00:31:35,860
was saying for every single case that it

645
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:39,550
has to be okayed by the state director

646
00:31:46,460 --> 00:31:41,890
or the chief investigator so there's

647
00:31:50,490 --> 00:31:46,470
always a veteran ufologist on every case

648
00:31:53,070 --> 00:31:50,500
so if it's a newbie and and and they get

649
00:31:55,650 --> 00:31:53,080
excited you know over a mylar balloon

650
00:31:57,330 --> 00:31:55,660
spinning and the winds you know

651
00:32:01,680 --> 00:31:57,340
reflecting the Sun back which is

652
00:32:04,860 --> 00:32:01,690
probably about 40% of the UFO reports I

653
00:32:07,770 --> 00:32:04,870
get in I'll send it back to them I'll

654
00:32:10,140 --> 00:32:07,780
tell them no you need to redo this and

655
00:32:10,910 --> 00:32:10,150
you need to become more acquainted with

656
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:10,920
what

657
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:13,200
our balloon looks like in the wind and

658
00:32:17,780 --> 00:32:15,570
wind currents you know you look up the

659
00:32:21,020 --> 00:32:17,790
wind currents you can do that on Weather

660
00:32:26,020 --> 00:32:21,030
Underground if you have an exact time

661
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:26,030
and you know so I think there is sort of

662
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:28,410
you know there there is a two-fold

663
00:32:35,390 --> 00:32:31,370
investigation going on there already

664
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:35,400
okay great and I just want to tell

665
00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:36,810
everybody I encourage you to interrupt

666
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:38,910
me because this show is about you

667
00:32:45,620 --> 00:32:41,250
so please do interrupt me whenever you

668
00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:45,630
feel it's perfect this is general right

669
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:47,940
here yes go what would you what you're

670
00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:50,370
saying here is what you're doing is the

671
00:32:56,390 --> 00:32:52,380
cases you investigate now you've got

672
00:32:58,190 --> 00:32:56,400
vehicle put them in the CMS okay I'm

673
00:33:04,390 --> 00:32:58,200
talking about a hundred thousand cases

674
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:09,110
convention which gives you the low date

675
00:33:17,510 --> 00:33:15,930
location type of sighting DD ecce one or

676
00:33:19,670 --> 00:33:17,520
something like that if there's if

677
00:33:21,650 --> 00:33:19,680
there's something peculiar about the

678
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:21,660
case you can put a one-word thing in

679
00:33:30,410 --> 00:33:26,370
there the witness and the origin of the

680
00:33:34,660 --> 00:33:30,420
material and you may be able to put a

681
00:33:43,130 --> 00:33:39,560
Greenwood has gone through the Brazilian

682
00:33:45,710 --> 00:33:43,140
National Archives and he's not finished

683
00:33:48,650 --> 00:33:45,720
yet he's just starting he's got five

684
00:33:53,450 --> 00:33:48,660
thousand cases I can't I can't put five

685
00:33:57,170 --> 00:33:53,460
thousand cases in the in the CMS I don't

686
00:34:02,840 --> 00:33:57,180
have enough life span left he's just

687
00:34:04,790 --> 00:34:02,850
gone through the Swedish newspapers that

688
00:34:06,620 --> 00:34:04,800
are that are up therefore there's about

689
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:06,630
twelve newspapers that are up there for

690
00:34:15,620 --> 00:34:11,570
a month he has over 3,000 cases already

691
00:34:18,770 --> 00:34:15,630
established this is after getting rid of

692
00:34:21,350 --> 00:34:18,780
the drawers and stuff you got to think

693
00:34:25,090 --> 00:34:21,360
about this it's great if you investigate

694
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:25,100
a dozen cases are you

695
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:29,010
to try to make put the stuff in the CMS

696
00:34:36,730 --> 00:34:31,520
but if you're doing thousands of cases

697
00:34:39,380 --> 00:34:36,740
you got a fear we don't live that long

698
00:34:42,110 --> 00:34:39,390
okay that's a very very valid point and

699
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:42,120
I think Shane heard wanted to ask him

700
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:45,210
his insight on this topic also I think

701
00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:47,810
you might have been mentioning earlier

702
00:34:52,370 --> 00:34:50,730
Shane what was it that you were talking

703
00:34:54,770 --> 00:34:52,380
about a technical aptitude of the

704
00:34:56,990 --> 00:34:54,780
witnesses that was mark and then though

705
00:34:58,910 --> 00:34:57,000
you want to know if they've seen UFOs or

706
00:35:03,020 --> 00:34:58,920
paranormal before that's interesting can

707
00:35:04,940 --> 00:35:03,030
you touch on that yeah I was gonna say

708
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:04,950
this is along the lines of both what

709
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:07,410
mark and Jan are talking about and where

710
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:09,090
I'll get there at the end it is is

711
00:35:15,740 --> 00:35:12,000
really the credibility of the witness

712
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:15,750
but let me start with obviously with the

713
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:19,680
database you have tables of information

714
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:22,650
that contain metadata so let's just say

715
00:35:26,930 --> 00:35:24,480
one table is you know contact

716
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:26,940
information and you have name address

717
00:35:32,450 --> 00:35:29,730
phone number email blah blah all those

718
00:35:33,590 --> 00:35:32,460
things are searchable you can report on

719
00:35:37,310 --> 00:35:33,600
those things because they're part of

720
00:35:40,430 --> 00:35:37,320
that table and that's non subjective

721
00:35:43,130 --> 00:35:40,440
data it's just black and white the

722
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:43,140
problem is is when one comes down to an

723
00:35:48,050 --> 00:35:45,090
investigation you do have a lot of

724
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:48,060
subjective data and you you know you

725
00:35:51,470 --> 00:35:49,650
want to eliminate the subjectivity as

726
00:35:53,870 --> 00:35:51,480
much as possible but frankly when you're

727
00:35:57,380 --> 00:35:53,880
dealing with human beings that's not

728
00:35:59,780 --> 00:35:57,390
going to happen and so some of the

729
00:36:02,300 --> 00:35:59,790
questions I ask in my investigations

730
00:36:04,670 --> 00:36:02,310
there's not a field a searchable field

731
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:04,680
in the CMS for them but I always ask the

732
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:07,890
question and I put the information in in

733
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:10,170
the you know non searchable text field

734
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:13,920
so for example every every person I ask

735
00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:16,800
what was it about your sighting that

736
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:19,250
makes you feel this was not something

737
00:36:25,790 --> 00:36:22,770
prosaic like a planet or an airplane and

738
00:36:28,670 --> 00:36:25,800
I think that I it's a very interesting

739
00:36:31,610 --> 00:36:28,680
thing to get a response on that and then

740
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:31,620
and then and it does speak sort of to

741
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:33,930
the person's credibility well no that

742
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:35,610
died witness testimony is one of the

743
00:36:41,699 --> 00:36:37,569
most important things on

744
00:36:44,429 --> 00:36:41,709
in a case but on the same Hannah it can

745
00:36:47,489 --> 00:36:44,439
be very unreliable so you do have to

746
00:36:49,229 --> 00:36:47,499
sort of size up or determine the

747
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:49,239
credibility of the person making the

748
00:36:55,229 --> 00:36:52,089
report and so another thought I had to

749
00:36:58,199 --> 00:36:55,239
was you know have you ever had a

750
00:37:00,629 --> 00:36:58,209
paranormal experience or seen a UFO

751
00:37:02,399 --> 00:37:00,639
prior to making this report because that

752
00:37:05,069 --> 00:37:02,409
does suggest some other things on

753
00:37:09,569 --> 00:37:05,079
another line of questioning that you

754
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:09,579
might want to employ so again I like the

755
00:37:14,759 --> 00:37:12,249
CMS away it's set up it's wonderful I

756
00:37:17,909 --> 00:37:14,769
think it could be expanded to you know

757
00:37:20,189 --> 00:37:17,919
include some of the less or the more

758
00:37:21,929 --> 00:37:20,199
subjective stuff because even though you

759
00:37:24,449 --> 00:37:21,939
can't nail it down and say black or

760
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:24,459
white it does suggest some things that

761
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:26,729
that are important to the investigation

762
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:29,169
well we appreciate that and thank you

763
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:30,729
for the valuable input including the

764
00:37:38,879 --> 00:37:37,089
rooster as well I'm sorry guys gotta go

765
00:37:46,649 --> 00:37:38,889
that's hilarious does he wake you up in

766
00:37:50,219 --> 00:37:46,659
the morning oh yeah all day he's on the

767
00:37:52,109 --> 00:37:50,229
shortlist let me tell you that's great

768
00:37:54,989 --> 00:37:52,119
he's dinner okay I wanted to bring on

769
00:37:56,519 --> 00:37:54,999
Michael Hall and he saw known as a

770
00:37:59,339 --> 00:37:56,529
paranormal lawyer he's an attorney a

771
00:38:01,649 --> 00:37:59,349
Doctor of Jurisprudence and a former

772
00:38:03,569 --> 00:38:01,659
Superior Court Judge Pro Tem I wanted to

773
00:38:05,129 --> 00:38:03,579
just give a little bit of background

774
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:05,139
regarding uh Michael he's got a

775
00:38:10,109 --> 00:38:07,359
fascinating history as an experienced

776
00:38:11,879 --> 00:38:10,119
UFO field investigator for the for a pro

777
00:38:14,099 --> 00:38:11,889
the aerial phenomenon research

778
00:38:16,949 --> 00:38:14,109
organization he's a longtime a

779
00:38:18,749 --> 00:38:16,959
consultant to MUFON since 1995 the

780
00:38:21,149 --> 00:38:18,759
attorney of record for the national UFO

781
00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:21,159
Reporting Center Peter Davenport knows

782
00:38:25,649 --> 00:38:23,529
him very well and the National Aviation

783
00:38:28,409 --> 00:38:25,659
Reporting Center on anomalous phenomena

784
00:38:31,229 --> 00:38:28,419
in our camp 1999 an experience for

785
00:38:33,449 --> 00:38:31,239
himself and he's also represented such

786
00:38:35,069 --> 00:38:33,459
noted UFO just such as the grant Cameron

787
00:38:37,439 --> 00:38:35,079
chief petty officer kevin de Peter

788
00:38:40,169 --> 00:38:37,449
Davenport dr. Richard Haines and dr.

789
00:38:41,969 --> 00:38:40,179
James harder and he also is good friends

790
00:38:43,709 --> 00:38:41,979
with the doctor

791
00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:43,719
yes dr. Richard Haines just mentioned

792
00:38:46,919 --> 00:38:45,369
him we would love to have him on the

793
00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:46,929
show a Michael if you ever feel like

794
00:38:50,750 --> 00:38:48,609
you're in position ask him anyway

795
00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:50,760
Michael wanted to ask you a

796
00:38:55,070 --> 00:38:52,740
you have your own UFO i-team you go out

797
00:38:59,230 --> 00:38:55,080
in the field just like the rest of the

798
00:39:02,420 --> 00:38:59,240
folks here do or have done any tips or

799
00:39:06,380 --> 00:39:02,430
insight on how to improve the UFO

800
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:06,390
cataloguing effort well yes thank you

801
00:39:11,780 --> 00:39:08,970
chant by the way for and inviting me to

802
00:39:14,210 --> 00:39:11,790
be on this August panel today and this

803
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:14,220
is fantastic we've got ufologists from

804
00:39:20,330 --> 00:39:18,090
around the world here doing on an

805
00:39:22,670 --> 00:39:20,340
interesting important topic you know I

806
00:39:25,300 --> 00:39:22,680
think my client and longtime friend

807
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:25,310
Peter Davenport would agree with me that

808
00:39:31,490 --> 00:39:28,800
what we need to also concentrate on is

809
00:39:34,670 --> 00:39:31,500
getting all those reports that are

810
00:39:36,980 --> 00:39:34,680
unreported in reality Peter you can

811
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:36,990
correct me if I'm wrong but I've heard

812
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:40,800
him say that probably one in 20,000

813
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:43,530
actual UFO sightings are ever reported

814
00:39:50,110 --> 00:39:47,010
anywhere Peter I'll let you jump in here

815
00:39:51,650 --> 00:39:50,120
with me if you want to corroborate that

816
00:39:53,570 --> 00:39:51,660
you're correct

817
00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:53,580
Michael you quote me correctly it's

818
00:39:58,670 --> 00:39:56,070
somewhere I estimate that out of

819
00:40:02,470 --> 00:39:58,680
somewhere between 10,000 and 20,000

820
00:40:06,910 --> 00:40:02,480
sightings of legitimate authentic UFOs

821
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:06,920
only one of them has ever captained the

822
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:09,690
UFO organization people are just

823
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:12,800
hesitant to report it they're lazy and

824
00:40:19,550 --> 00:40:16,170
and often many times they just put it

825
00:40:23,540 --> 00:40:19,560
off until it disappears in the recesses

826
00:40:26,540 --> 00:40:23,550
of their memories yes and exactly and

827
00:40:29,210 --> 00:40:26,550
we've Peter you and I dealt with this

828
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:29,220
for almost 30 years now that I've been

829
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:31,290
involved with you at the national UFO

830
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:34,770
Reporting Center in the fact that you

831
00:40:39,770 --> 00:40:37,440
know the baby boomers out there the

832
00:40:44,740 --> 00:40:39,780
largest influx of souls on the planet

833
00:40:49,580 --> 00:40:47,240
expertise that say if for instance they

834
00:40:52,330 --> 00:40:49,590
need to go to a web site even or even do

835
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:52,340
something on their phone so in reality

836
00:40:58,100 --> 00:40:54,960
what we've done with the national UFO

837
00:41:02,460 --> 00:40:58,110
Reporting Center is make sure that the

838
00:41:07,140 --> 00:41:02,470
hotline phone number for reporting UFOs

839
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:07,150
new fork which is 206 seven two to three

840
00:41:14,210 --> 00:41:10,480
thousand that hotline phone number is in

841
00:41:18,270 --> 00:41:14,220
every FAA tower in the United States

842
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:18,280
civilian military and commercial as well

843
00:41:23,460 --> 00:41:20,800
as all the law enforcement agencies

844
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:23,470
around the planet and I'm talking local

845
00:41:30,359 --> 00:41:26,560
law enforcement agencies that you can go

846
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:30,369
to and your small hometown and or you

847
00:41:36,260 --> 00:41:31,930
know federal wise as well so I think

848
00:41:38,339 --> 00:41:36,270
it's important for all of us in these

849
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:38,349
organizations that we belong to you to

850
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:41,040
make ourselves accessible to people

851
00:41:47,010 --> 00:41:43,810
somehow that maybe even don't even have

852
00:41:49,290 --> 00:41:47,020
the technical expertise to fill out a

853
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:49,300
reporting form on the internet for

854
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:54,400
instance okay that's fantastic and just

855
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,770
wanted to ask you Michael if folks

856
00:42:00,960 --> 00:41:58,720
wanted to find out more about your

857
00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:00,970
wonderful UFO i-team how did they do

858
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:02,560
that and can you mention that you're on

859
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:04,330
duh spaced-out radio L so you have a

860
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:05,650
wonderful show going on there you

861
00:42:09,390 --> 00:42:06,730
actually have two shows to my

862
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:09,400
understanding you do your own show

863
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:12,130
live and then you also have that show as

864
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:14,050
well I've seen you do both can you

865
00:42:17,460 --> 00:42:15,609
please explain a little bit about that

866
00:42:20,849 --> 00:42:17,470
before we move on to the next topic

867
00:42:23,579 --> 00:42:20,859
oh thank a chance yeah well tonight by

868
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:23,589
the way is my my Sunday night show and

869
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:26,290
spaced out radio so I appreciate you

870
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:29,650
mentioning that we literally have an

871
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:32,800
audience worldwide Dave Scott is the

872
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:36,130
station manager and director and weekday

873
00:42:40,620 --> 00:42:38,050
host and has brought me on board for

874
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:40,630
Sunday evenings on spaced out Sunday so

875
00:42:46,589 --> 00:42:43,089
you can join us on Spreaker or any kind

876
00:42:49,050 --> 00:42:46,599
of app that you've got the UFO i-team I

877
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:49,060
would love to have people join us on our

878
00:42:55,950 --> 00:42:53,010
Monday night's weekly meetings over zoom

879
00:42:58,500 --> 00:42:55,960
literally we used to you know meet at

880
00:43:00,329 --> 00:42:58,510
Denny's live you know out here in the

881
00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:00,339
Pacific Northwest in Lynnwood Washington

882
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:03,609
on Monday nights but of course the

883
00:43:08,849 --> 00:43:06,160
lockdown is per prevented us from doing

884
00:43:12,930 --> 00:43:08,859
so but literally has provided us an

885
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:12,940
opportunity over zoom Monday evening 6

886
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:16,210
p.m. Pacific Standard Time to invite the

887
00:43:21,930 --> 00:43:19,450
world to tell us their story that's our

888
00:43:24,420 --> 00:43:21,940
motto at the UFO i-team and literally

889
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:24,430
people now ever since the New York Times

890
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:27,130
article came out you know December 16th

891
00:43:32,670 --> 00:43:30,730
of 2017 people are now feeling

892
00:43:34,849 --> 00:43:32,680
vindicated to be able to come out and

893
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:34,859
tell us their sighting stories

894
00:43:40,620 --> 00:43:37,839
personally right over the internet on

895
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:40,630
zoom' so thank you for allowing us to

896
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:43,570
invite folks to join us that's great and

897
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:45,490
also want to mention something very very

898
00:43:49,770 --> 00:43:47,680
important and that is our listeners need

899
00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:49,780
to know how to contact Peter Davenport

900
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:52,510
if they have a UFO report to make Peter

901
00:43:56,310 --> 00:43:54,130
do you mind trimming in and letting us

902
00:44:01,310 --> 00:43:56,320
know how one would actually contact you

903
00:44:07,380 --> 00:44:04,380
Michael gave out the hotline number

904
00:44:10,980 --> 00:44:07,390
seven two oh six seven two to three

905
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:10,990
thousand but I frankly prefer to go

906
00:44:17,099 --> 00:44:13,330
directly to the online reporting form on

907
00:44:20,010 --> 00:44:17,109
our website which is UFO center.com and

908
00:44:22,740 --> 00:44:20,020
for those folks down in Australia we

909
00:44:27,540 --> 00:44:22,750
spell center a little bit strangely we

910
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:27,550
spell at cen ter so that's the best way

911
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:30,970
to get to us and while I'm talking here

912
00:44:35,010 --> 00:44:32,890
I'd like to make a just a short

913
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:35,020
editorial comment if we have enough time

914
00:44:43,410 --> 00:44:38,890
a global comment about ufology in

915
00:44:47,310 --> 00:44:43,420
general we we've somehow got to graduate

916
00:44:50,339 --> 00:44:47,320
beyond eyewitness accounts and fuzzy

917
00:44:52,349 --> 00:44:50,349
photographs to be able to bring what we

918
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:52,359
believe is happening to the American

919
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:54,210
people and around the world

920
00:44:59,460 --> 00:44:56,770
I'd invite people if they're not

921
00:45:03,690 --> 00:44:59,470
familiar with my proposal I know Jan is

922
00:45:06,180 --> 00:45:03,700
at least Jim Tarzan that is familiar

923
00:45:10,170 --> 00:45:06,190
with my proposal for using so-called

924
00:45:13,530 --> 00:45:10,180
passive radar for detecting UFOs it is

925
00:45:17,579 --> 00:45:13,540
within our technical ability today to be

926
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:17,589
able to build a system to detect UFOs

927
00:45:23,250 --> 00:45:20,560
directly by reflected radio and

928
00:45:26,609 --> 00:45:23,260
television signals all we need is

929
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:26,619
financing and I invite anybody who's

930
00:45:30,030 --> 00:45:28,960
interested in the subject who hasn't yet

931
00:45:33,060 --> 00:45:30,040
read my paper too

932
00:45:37,710 --> 00:45:33,070
do so as posted to my website UFO

933
00:45:42,510 --> 00:45:37,720
center.com and all we need is funding we

934
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:42,520
have a an engineering team assembled the

935
00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:45,040
concept is not a new one the first

936
00:45:51,530 --> 00:45:47,640
application for passive radar for a

937
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:51,540
patent in that field is from England in

938
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:55,450
1927 so we can do it and it will allow

939
00:46:00,780 --> 00:45:57,970
us to graduate from where we are to

940
00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:00,790
where we'd like to be that's fantastic

941
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:02,710
Peter thank you so very much for sharing

942
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:04,960
that vital information for all of us

943
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:07,330
become more educated about and I hope

944
00:46:11,610 --> 00:46:09,130
that people are encouraged by that to

945
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:11,620
actually call him if they have a UFO

946
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:13,810
report to make and Peter how long have

947
00:46:18,410 --> 00:46:15,760
you had your UFO Reporting Center can

948
00:46:22,580 --> 00:46:18,420
you please share that was founded in

949
00:46:25,740 --> 00:46:22,590
1974 by Bob Robert J Gribble a retired

950
00:46:29,220 --> 00:46:25,750
Seattle fireman he turned it over to me

951
00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:29,230
in 1994 is July of 94 so I'm coming up

952
00:46:37,740 --> 00:46:34,710
on 26 years of running the UFO online

953
00:46:40,350 --> 00:46:37,750
well like everybody on this panel you

954
00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:40,360
have contributed immensely invaluable

955
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:43,060
service to the entire world regarding

956
00:46:47,610 --> 00:46:45,970
the UFO topic and more so we're very

957
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:47,620
grateful to you for that great benefit

958
00:46:50,990 --> 00:46:49,210
and thank you so much for your great

959
00:46:54,510 --> 00:46:51,000
service

960
00:46:58,500 --> 00:46:54,520
I may have said 24 years I should have

961
00:47:00,900 --> 00:46:58,510
said 26 years Wow that is so wonderful

962
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:00,910
and we appreciate all the time you've

963
00:47:06,210 --> 00:47:04,210
invested an immense amount of time we

964
00:47:08,010 --> 00:47:06,220
are all better for it I wanted to

965
00:47:10,590 --> 00:47:08,020
mention a few topics that we're going to

966
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,600
bring be bringing up and Donna said dr.

967
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:12,640
Irina Scott will review a short bio from

968
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:14,530
her perspective regarding her very close

969
00:47:19,890 --> 00:47:16,330
friendship with the late Jenny our

970
00:47:21,450 --> 00:47:19,900
Zeidman and I'll go ahead and go over

971
00:47:23,700 --> 00:47:21,460
that in a moment but I wanted to bring

972
00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:23,710
up an interesting topic and this is a

973
00:47:27,150 --> 00:47:25,510
something very funny Mark Dantonio

974
00:47:29,550 --> 00:47:27,160
wanted to mention to you that happened

975
00:47:33,450 --> 00:47:29,560
when you are on a we're on a panel with

976
00:47:35,730 --> 00:47:33,460
us before regarding a certain topic I

977
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:35,740
brought up and you were really

978
00:47:38,970 --> 00:47:37,690
fascinating when you're talking about it

979
00:47:41,370 --> 00:47:38,980
I wanted to bring up something

980
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:41,380
interesting you had very little time to

981
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:43,450
be with us on that show you spent as

982
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:43,810
much

983
00:47:46,770 --> 00:47:45,610
as you possibly could you'll know what

984
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:46,780
should I'm talking about in just a

985
00:47:51,390 --> 00:47:49,690
moment and doubt when you left dr. Irina

986
00:47:53,610 --> 00:47:51,400
actually promptly brought up a really

987
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:53,620
fantastic point that I wanted both of

988
00:47:57,690 --> 00:47:55,090
you to discuss if you have the

989
00:48:01,200 --> 00:47:57,700
opportunity to do so and that is and

990
00:48:03,330 --> 00:48:01,210
there is a professor Chandra and Mark

991
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:03,340
you'll have to actually correct me how

992
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:03,970
to say this

993
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:06,610
it's Chandra right is that mark we

994
00:48:11,940 --> 00:48:09,370
promised Inga okay I can't I can't say

995
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:11,950
that there's no way I'm gonna have to

996
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:15,520
rely on my seeing you know I make it

997
00:48:20,670 --> 00:48:17,410
easier Wickramasinghe okay professor

998
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:20,680
Chandra Wickramasinghe the Buckingham

999
00:48:24,570 --> 00:48:22,720
Center for astrobiology I'm going to go

1000
00:48:26,490 --> 00:48:24,580
ahead and quote him he said the sudden

1001
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:26,500
outbreak of a new corona virus is very

1002
00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:28,330
likely to have a space connection and

1003
00:48:32,310 --> 00:48:30,310
the strong localization of the virus

1004
00:48:35,310 --> 00:48:32,320
within China is the most remarkable

1005
00:48:37,350 --> 00:48:35,320
aspect of this disease in October last

1006
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:37,360
year a fragment of a common exploded in

1007
00:48:42,300 --> 00:48:39,610
brief flash North East China as a new

1008
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:42,310
sir and he said we think it probable

1009
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:44,290
this contained embedded within it a

1010
00:48:50,340 --> 00:48:48,310
monoculture of infective 2019 and CoV

1011
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:50,350
virus particles that survived in the

1012
00:48:54,420 --> 00:48:52,720
interior of the incandescent meteor he

1013
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:54,430
goes on to say we consider the seemingly

1014
00:48:58,920 --> 00:48:56,800
outrageous possibility the hundreds of

1015
00:49:01,080 --> 00:48:58,930
trillions of infective viral particles

1016
00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:01,090
were then released embedded in the form

1017
00:49:06,690 --> 00:49:04,510
of fine carbonaceous dust and he goes on

1018
00:49:08,670 --> 00:49:06,700
to finish we believe infectious agents

1019
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:08,680
are prevalent in space carried in comets

1020
00:49:12,810 --> 00:49:10,330
and can fall towards Earth through the

1021
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:12,820
troposphere now when you went over all

1022
00:49:18,510 --> 00:49:16,090
that interesting data that this

1023
00:49:21,900 --> 00:49:18,520
professor felt that you you had insight

1024
00:49:23,820 --> 00:49:21,910
to share on and then left the show and

1025
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:23,830
dr. rena scott brought up a brilliant

1026
00:49:29,340 --> 00:49:26,770
point and I wanted to dr. rena scott to

1027
00:49:32,370 --> 00:49:29,350
hone in on this and then perhaps you can

1028
00:49:35,070 --> 00:49:32,380
chime in on it mark and Donna's she said

1029
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:35,080
if there was RNA data to be had that

1030
00:49:39,630 --> 00:49:37,930
would be key dr. rena scott can you

1031
00:49:41,850 --> 00:49:39,640
please share a little bit more with us

1032
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:41,860
on that perspective regarding RNA data

1033
00:49:51,110 --> 00:49:46,210
and that pandemic by meteor or a topic

1034
00:49:57,049 --> 00:49:51,120
that professor Chandra Wickramasinghe

1035
00:49:57,059 --> 00:50:02,049
the coronavirus has complicated RNA

1036
00:50:07,460 --> 00:50:05,269
organic molecules insofar as known of

1037
00:50:10,220 --> 00:50:07,470
meteors meteorites

1038
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:10,230
they found organic molecules and they

1039
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:13,170
found they possibly found ribose but

1040
00:50:21,970 --> 00:50:16,890
they haven't found anything so far such

1041
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:21,980
as RNA or DNA that that's a order

1042
00:50:27,559 --> 00:50:24,930
magnitudes greater in complexity than

1043
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:27,569
what they found and if they did find RNA

1044
00:50:32,930 --> 00:50:30,240
or DNA a meteorite it would be

1045
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:32,940
newsworthy all over the world because it

1046
00:50:39,499 --> 00:50:35,490
might suggest that there's life in the

1047
00:50:42,259 --> 00:50:39,509
universe just like ours you know I think

1048
00:50:44,450 --> 00:50:42,269
it's possible there is RNA in the

1049
00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:44,460
universe but I don't think they've ever

1050
00:50:51,890 --> 00:50:47,730
found that in the meteorite yeah and so

1051
00:50:55,339 --> 00:50:51,900
I don't think so and so if it came in on

1052
00:50:58,940 --> 00:50:55,349
the if something was causing the corona

1053
00:51:03,380 --> 00:50:58,950
virus from a meteorite that would be a

1054
00:51:04,730 --> 00:51:03,390
specific RNA for the corona virus that

1055
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:04,740
would come in on a meteorite and that's

1056
00:51:11,740 --> 00:51:08,160
just probably not something that there'd

1057
00:51:13,870 --> 00:51:11,750
be a lot of chance against that I

1058
00:51:18,769 --> 00:51:13,880
actually tend to agree with that that

1059
00:51:21,890 --> 00:51:18,779
and now when I think I said that there

1060
00:51:23,749 --> 00:51:21,900
was a small comet that exploded I think

1061
00:51:26,329 --> 00:51:23,759
he really should have said a small

1062
00:51:30,220 --> 00:51:26,339
meteor because we haven't been hit by

1063
00:51:34,339 --> 00:51:30,230
any comments since possibly Tunguska so

1064
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,349
and that was early 1900s and that is the

1065
00:51:42,940 --> 00:51:37,200
the only one we know of an historical

1066
00:51:45,410 --> 00:51:42,950
modern history actually so as far as the

1067
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:45,420
fireball that came in let's say it was a

1068
00:51:49,549 --> 00:51:47,730
space rock we know that space rocks have

1069
00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:49,559
fallen to earth that have amino acids in

1070
00:51:54,799 --> 00:51:51,569
them the Murchison meteorite had amino

1071
00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:54,809
acids and I believe that you know that's

1072
00:51:59,749 --> 00:51:56,730
those are obviously part of the building

1073
00:52:01,160 --> 00:51:59,759
blocks of life sure and clearly they're

1074
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:01,170
made on the earth are made on other

1075
00:52:08,970 --> 00:52:04,890
planets certainly but as dr. Scott says

1076
00:52:11,580 --> 00:52:08,980
we don't have any evidence that

1077
00:52:13,590 --> 00:52:11,590
getting deoxyribonucleic acid or DNA

1078
00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:13,600
right we're not we haven't seen that yet

1079
00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:16,510
not a variant of it anyway

1080
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:18,910
you know DNA strands are different for

1081
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:21,609
all the species right so there are

1082
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:22,930
similarities to a certain percentage

1083
00:52:28,670 --> 00:52:24,880
above that that makes that species

1084
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:28,680
unique to its own little niche right so

1085
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,890
right now as far as I can tell it was a

1086
00:52:38,430 --> 00:52:34,960
meteor that struck over China just like

1087
00:52:40,349 --> 00:52:38,440
the Chelyabinsk meteor that that turned

1088
00:52:42,510 --> 00:52:40,359
that in today blew off security doors

1089
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:42,520
and injured lots of people up in Russia

1090
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:45,730
earlier so I don't think that this

1091
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:48,570
fireball in corona are linked in any way

1092
00:52:54,990 --> 00:52:53,410
because I think that's like that that

1093
00:52:56,460 --> 00:52:55,000
sort of spitballing as far as I'm

1094
00:52:58,680 --> 00:52:56,470
concerned yeah I don't think he was

1095
00:53:00,240 --> 00:52:58,690
particularly saying that he believes

1096
00:53:01,950 --> 00:53:00,250
that's what this is I think he's saying

1097
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:01,960
we can't rule out the possibility and

1098
00:53:06,210 --> 00:53:05,050
that's scientifically a valid thing to

1099
00:53:08,030 --> 00:53:06,220
say

1100
00:53:11,730 --> 00:53:08,040
but I don't think we can rule it out but

1101
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:11,740
there is a chance and it merits being

1102
00:53:15,330 --> 00:53:13,570
looked at because there could be a time

1103
00:53:19,230 --> 00:53:15,340
in the future when we will get a

1104
00:53:22,140 --> 00:53:19,240
pathogen from space okay wonderful and

1105
00:53:24,930 --> 00:53:22,150
dr. rena scott did you have any more to

1106
00:53:27,090 --> 00:53:24,940
talk about on that top of it yeah I

1107
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:27,100
agree I mean the earth has been here for

1108
00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:28,930
like four billion years and there might

1109
00:53:35,010 --> 00:53:30,910
have been something drifting in called

1110
00:53:38,450 --> 00:53:35,020
cuz panspermia or something but far as

1111
00:53:40,890 --> 00:53:38,460
the current iris I think it's against

1112
00:53:44,970 --> 00:53:40,900
probability there isn't much probability

1113
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:44,980
that could have happened today

1114
00:53:51,450 --> 00:53:47,490
the RNA the specific RNA for

1115
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:51,460
coronaviruses come in on meteor this is

1116
00:53:57,420 --> 00:53:55,210
a roll again so when I was looking at

1117
00:53:58,920 --> 00:53:57,430
the name of the you know the Indian

1118
00:54:03,780 --> 00:53:58,930
gentleman who I'm not going to try to

1119
00:54:05,609 --> 00:54:03,790
pronounce but but but he was it did when

1120
00:54:08,670 --> 00:54:05,619
it was talking about the theory it had

1121
00:54:11,010 --> 00:54:08,680
his name slash Quayle and I believe

1122
00:54:14,220 --> 00:54:11,020
that's dr. Frederick Hoyle who is the

1123
00:54:17,370 --> 00:54:14,230
guy who proposed panspermia in the first

1124
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:17,380
place it was yes yeah so I mean I think

1125
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:20,410
that perhaps this gentleman is priest is

1126
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:22,880
sort of quick to presuppose

1127
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,250
since he you know was working with

1128
00:54:34,660 --> 00:54:27,680
Fredric oil if that's where his mind is

1129
00:54:37,930 --> 00:54:34,670
going you know is a very good

1130
00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:37,940
possibility of how life you know erupts

1131
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:41,089
throughout the cosmos but but yet has

1132
00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:44,960
not been proven theory that's correct

1133
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:47,089
but we do know that as I said that you

1134
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:48,890
know that we do have meteor falls here

1135
00:54:56,579 --> 00:54:51,440
on the planet that did bring amino acids

1136
00:55:00,160 --> 00:54:56,589
from elsewhere to the planet so there is

1137
00:55:01,630 --> 00:55:00,170
some evidence that building blocks of

1138
00:55:03,609 --> 00:55:01,640
life have been delivered here actually

1139
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:03,619
there's copious evidence you know comets

1140
00:55:09,490 --> 00:55:05,930
and meteors strikes from Murchison on

1141
00:55:12,579 --> 00:55:09,500
and the inevitable asteroid strike from

1142
00:55:13,930 --> 00:55:12,589
the past could have delivered the

1143
00:55:17,859 --> 00:55:13,940
building blocks I don't think they

1144
00:55:21,730 --> 00:55:17,869
delivered live pathogens dr. Scott also

1145
00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:21,740
I think agrees it's it's a it's it's

1146
00:55:26,140 --> 00:55:23,569
worth mentioning because it could happen

1147
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:26,150
maybe someday but I don't think we're at

1148
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:27,650
that point I don't think it's ever

1149
00:55:32,380 --> 00:55:30,319
really happened here but we have enough

1150
00:55:34,499 --> 00:55:32,390
ultraviolet radiation from the Sun to

1151
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:34,509
cause many mutations in our DNA

1152
00:55:38,980 --> 00:55:36,650
throughout time which may very well be

1153
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:38,990
the reason why we have so many different

1154
00:55:43,390 --> 00:55:41,089
and varied species on our planet maybe

1155
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:43,400
it's because this mutation followed by

1156
00:55:49,420 --> 00:55:45,680
adaptation which is evolution is

1157
00:55:51,009 --> 00:55:49,430
something triggered by a Sun that's very

1158
00:55:54,999 --> 00:55:51,019
active in the ultraviolet region and

1159
00:55:56,529 --> 00:55:55,009
ours actually is that's fantastic thank

1160
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:56,539
you so much for that valuable insight

1161
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:58,880
also want to ask Roger I believe Roger

1162
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:00,319
you're a scientist can you please

1163
00:56:04,210 --> 00:56:02,569
explain what you do and if you have

1164
00:56:08,859 --> 00:56:04,220
anything you want to say about this

1165
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:08,869
topic yeah I think it's an interesting

1166
00:56:15,390 --> 00:56:11,599
topic and I didn't read up on it last

1167
00:56:20,170 --> 00:56:15,400
night actually I got I'm a

1168
00:56:23,009 --> 00:56:20,180
neuroscientist so I I actually I've now

1169
00:56:25,299 --> 00:56:23,019
a teacher but I used to run run a

1170
00:56:28,170 --> 00:56:25,309
neuroscience lab at University of Sydney

1171
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:28,180
and one of my specialities was some

1172
00:56:34,779 --> 00:56:31,609
virtual jerk-offs disease which we used

1173
00:56:35,420 --> 00:56:34,789
to obtain brains from from people who

1174
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:35,430
had

1175
00:56:44,780 --> 00:56:41,609
diagnose it and as some of you may know

1176
00:56:47,569 --> 00:56:44,790
prions are proteins that are infectious

1177
00:56:49,579 --> 00:56:47,579
like viruses and bacteria that's the

1178
00:56:51,500 --> 00:56:49,589
only known thing other than a bite virus

1179
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:51,510
and the bacteria that's infectious it's

1180
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:54,690
quite unusual because these proteins are

1181
00:56:58,250 --> 00:56:56,160
found normally in the brain and they

1182
00:57:01,609 --> 00:56:58,260
miss fold and they recruit other

1183
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:01,619
proteins to form the infection in the

1184
00:57:07,370 --> 00:57:03,530
brain that causes holes in the brain

1185
00:57:10,730 --> 00:57:07,380
literally and I didn't I didn't get on

1186
00:57:13,849 --> 00:57:10,740
to dr. wickless but WIC Rama Singh last

1187
00:57:15,710 --> 00:57:13,859
night and he emailed me funny enough and

1188
00:57:19,730 --> 00:57:15,720
he said because but what I had a problem

1189
00:57:24,049 --> 00:57:19,740
with was if if some DNA RNA is

1190
00:57:26,420 --> 00:57:24,059
transported by a a meteorite or a comet

1191
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:26,430
more likely a comet because you find

1192
00:57:32,270 --> 00:57:30,170
water on comets how does it survive

1193
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:32,280
re-entry into the Earth's atmosphere

1194
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:34,650
because there's a lot of heat generated

1195
00:57:41,059 --> 00:57:38,730
etc and he responded by saying as you

1196
00:57:43,579 --> 00:57:41,069
know smaller disintegrating fragments of

1197
00:57:45,980 --> 00:57:43,589
a ball like that eventually end up as a

1198
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:45,990
fireball that released non-destructively

1199
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:49,410
into the mesosphere so he's saying that

1200
00:57:57,049 --> 00:57:52,890
basically these viruses can be released

1201
00:57:59,440 --> 00:57:57,059
in the the troposphere which is to look

1202
00:58:02,059 --> 00:57:59,450
quite quite high up I should imagine

1203
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:02,069
from from the Earth's atmosphere and

1204
00:58:08,839 --> 00:58:05,250
they they settle down onto earth prior

1205
00:58:11,660 --> 00:58:08,849
to the actual meteorite or comet hitting

1206
00:58:16,099 --> 00:58:11,670
both the the earth and then breaking up

1207
00:58:17,650 --> 00:58:16,109
and and generating all that heat so he's

1208
00:58:25,010 --> 00:58:17,660
saying that there is a possibility of

1209
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:25,020
our fun of panspermia to to to happen in

1210
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:28,650
this way but also it brings up the

1211
00:58:35,690 --> 00:58:32,160
concept of you know if if you do find by

1212
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:35,700
RNA or DNA on meteorites and comets well

1213
00:58:40,370 --> 00:58:37,890
where did it come from you know how did

1214
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:40,380
original originate did it originate on

1215
00:58:46,059 --> 00:58:43,530
earth or did RNA and DNA originate on

1216
00:58:48,590 --> 00:58:46,069
earth or was it did it was aboard here

1217
00:58:51,550 --> 00:58:48,600
via Pam sperm hence

1218
00:58:55,010 --> 00:58:51,560
here from another another assault system

1219
00:58:57,860 --> 00:58:55,020
and if it did we'll had it gen8 in that

1220
00:59:00,740 --> 00:58:57,870
solar system it's it's quite interesting

1221
00:59:04,460 --> 00:59:00,750
concept but something that really can't

1222
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:04,470
be answered at the month and it takes us

1223
00:59:10,550 --> 00:59:07,890
back to how life originated on earth you

1224
00:59:14,110 --> 00:59:10,560
know how have prokaryotic organisms

1225
00:59:17,390 --> 00:59:14,120
originated on earth prokaryotes

1226
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:17,400
eukaryotes are cells that have a nucleus

1227
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:19,730
and have DNA in and with prokaryotes

1228
00:59:26,450 --> 00:59:23,850
don't don't have a nucleus that look DNA

1229
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:26,460
or RNA but they have it floating around

1230
00:59:31,970 --> 00:59:29,850
the cycle isn't so yeah it's it's

1231
00:59:35,390 --> 00:59:31,980
interesting some there's some theories

1232
00:59:38,090 --> 00:59:35,400
that say that these this the DNA or RNA

1233
00:59:40,790 --> 00:59:38,100
could have come from from panspermia and

1234
00:59:43,130 --> 00:59:40,800
then entered into cells like prokaryotes

1235
00:59:46,670 --> 00:59:43,140
that we have here on earth that evolve

1236
00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:46,680
your so yeah i think it's an interesting

1237
00:59:51,410 --> 00:59:50,220
topic and he has written quite a few

1238
00:59:53,630 --> 00:59:51,420
papers I've read a couple of these

1239
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:53,640
papers on it I don't believe it

1240
00:59:57,740 --> 00:59:55,200
at the moment there's not enough

1241
01:00:00,740 --> 00:59:57,750
evidence to say that you know RNA is

1242
01:00:04,940 --> 01:00:00,750
transported and DNA's transport employee

1243
01:00:08,170 --> 01:00:04,950
as of Jurina Scott is saying they have

1244
01:00:10,910 --> 01:00:08,180
detected things like polycyclic

1245
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:10,920
hydrocarbons and and horse of Sodom it

1246
01:00:14,540 --> 01:00:13,050
let me just take a look and see if I

1247
01:00:18,140 --> 01:00:14,550
pronounced that correctly I don't think

1248
01:00:22,090 --> 01:00:18,150
I have but that you can get like amino

1249
01:00:27,380 --> 01:00:22,100
some typos and complex complex

1250
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:27,390
carbon-based organic molecules on on on

1251
01:00:35,020 --> 01:00:30,090
meteorites and comets oh absolutely

1252
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:35,030
actually yeah and also formaldehyde is

1253
01:00:40,340 --> 01:00:37,760
found in interstellar space which is a

1254
01:00:43,250 --> 01:00:40,350
preservative that we use to preserve

1255
01:00:47,180 --> 01:00:43,260
tissue or proteins and tissue so that

1256
01:00:49,130 --> 01:00:47,190
that's interesting that from aldehyde is

1257
01:00:51,020 --> 01:00:49,140
actually it's a gas it's found in

1258
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:51,030
interstellar space but it's also sort of

1259
01:00:57,490 --> 01:00:53,370
an organic molecule which didn't be

1260
01:01:01,790 --> 01:00:57,500
built up on to form these polycyclic

1261
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:01,800
hydrocarbons that are found in it in in

1262
01:01:05,839 --> 01:01:02,490
nature

1263
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:05,849
some things personally there's no theory

1264
01:01:09,950 --> 01:01:08,730
to if I can just throw that in we want

1265
01:01:12,410 --> 01:01:09,960
we want to hear from you because we know

1266
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:12,420
you have to go so please do thank you

1267
01:01:16,820 --> 01:01:15,119
oh sorry huh there's another theory too

1268
01:01:19,550 --> 01:01:16,830
and thank you that was actually very

1269
01:01:21,500 --> 01:01:19,560
interesting cuz uh we could ramalinga

1270
01:01:24,349 --> 01:01:21,510
someone that I've paid attention to as

1271
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:24,359
well one of the things I want to mention

1272
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:26,250
was that the whole panspermia concept

1273
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:28,410
doesn't necessarily have to leave our

1274
01:01:33,650 --> 01:01:31,050
solar system to have the origin found

1275
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:33,660
okay one of the early thoughts is that

1276
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:35,730
the early planet Mars

1277
01:01:40,130 --> 01:01:38,250
had a much thicker atmosphere had a lot

1278
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:40,140
of running water potentially had life

1279
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:45,570
and when it suffered an impact some of

1280
01:01:50,060 --> 01:01:47,280
that atmosphere and material will be

1281
01:01:51,770 --> 01:01:50,070
blown out into space inevitably possibly

1282
01:01:53,630 --> 01:01:51,780
reaching the earth as a meteorite we

1283
01:01:56,329 --> 01:01:53,640
have seen in the Antarctic we have been

1284
01:02:00,849 --> 01:01:56,339
able to identify Martian meteorites so

1285
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:00,859
it's possible that early life from Mars

1286
01:02:06,050 --> 01:02:04,010
marched its way here through an impact

1287
01:02:07,930 --> 01:02:06,060
and that's another theory too so

1288
01:02:11,150 --> 01:02:07,940
panspermia doesn't have to be

1289
01:02:13,460 --> 01:02:11,160
extraterrestrial other than being you

1290
01:02:15,070 --> 01:02:13,470
know within our solar system and and the

1291
01:02:17,210 --> 01:02:15,080
existing planets early in their history

1292
01:02:19,579 --> 01:02:17,220
thank you I just wanted to interject

1293
01:02:21,170 --> 01:02:19,589
before anybody says anything I'm I

1294
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:21,180
apologize just hold on to that thought

1295
01:02:25,849 --> 01:02:23,520
and please do ask it or I make that

1296
01:02:27,650 --> 01:02:25,859
point mark if you do have to leave I

1297
01:02:30,530 --> 01:02:27,660
just want to let everybody know a little

1298
01:02:32,990 --> 01:02:30,540
bit about you Mark Dantonio who is a

1299
01:02:34,190 --> 01:02:33,000
very well known astronomer millions of

1300
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:34,200
people around the world listen to his

1301
01:02:37,130 --> 01:02:36,210
show I believe it's called Sky Watch but

1302
01:02:39,290 --> 01:02:37,140
he will go ahead and let us know

1303
01:02:41,329 --> 01:02:39,300
everything regarding when do we see his

1304
01:02:43,609 --> 01:02:41,339
show what the full name of it is and

1305
01:02:45,620 --> 01:02:43,619
just won't let our listeners know he has

1306
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:45,630
a degree in astronomy and as a mutual

1307
01:02:51,170 --> 01:02:46,609
UFO network s--

1308
01:02:53,810 --> 01:02:51,180
chief video photo of forensic analyst he

1309
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:53,820
is CEO of FX models a model making and

1310
01:02:57,650 --> 01:02:55,650
special effects company specializing in

1311
01:02:58,910 --> 01:02:57,660
digital physical models and organic

1312
01:03:01,099 --> 01:02:58,920
special effects in the film industry

1313
01:03:03,260 --> 01:03:01,109
he's done extensive work in the film and

1314
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:03,270
television arena appearing regularly on

1315
01:03:09,140 --> 01:03:05,609
a number of networks and his efforts

1316
01:03:12,050 --> 01:03:09,150
creating UFO t OG to a remote UFO

1317
01:03:14,750 --> 01:03:12,060
detective detective detection system

1318
01:03:16,310 --> 01:03:14,760
with douglas trumbull promises to bring

1319
01:03:18,890 --> 01:03:16,320
ufology into the 21st

1320
01:03:20,810 --> 01:03:18,900
entering a mark can you please share

1321
01:03:22,580 --> 01:03:20,820
with us what the name of your show is

1322
01:03:23,150 --> 01:03:22,590
when people can watch it and how do they

1323
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:23,160
do that

1324
01:03:27,410 --> 01:03:25,650
sure I mean and thank you for that chant

1325
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:27,420
and it was nice to be here and I'm sorry

1326
01:03:31,220 --> 01:03:29,370
I have to run off but I do have an

1327
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:31,230
appointment that's a pending right in

1328
01:03:37,250 --> 01:03:34,650
the moment this radio show was on Sunday

1329
01:03:42,020 --> 01:03:37,260
nights from 8 p.m. to 10 p.m. Eastern

1330
01:03:44,510 --> 01:03:42,030
Time and it's called sky tour radio and

1331
01:03:47,870 --> 01:03:44,520
then on YouTube we have a channel that's

1332
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:47,880
tied to our observatory we have one

1333
01:03:51,650 --> 01:03:50,130
observatory now in northwestern

1334
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:51,660
Connecticut and we have another one that

1335
01:03:56,690 --> 01:03:53,730
we're building in the Sonoran Desert in

1336
01:03:58,550 --> 01:03:56,700
Arizona and both will be online by well

1337
01:04:02,150 --> 01:03:58,560
the one in the salon will be online by

1338
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:02,160
the summer early summer actually and so

1339
01:04:06,860 --> 01:04:05,130
that's called Sky to livestream and

1340
01:04:08,210 --> 01:04:06,870
that's on YouTube and if you look up Sky

1341
01:04:10,970 --> 01:04:08,220
to our live stream you'll find it

1342
01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:10,980
subscribe hit the bell get notified come

1343
01:04:19,970 --> 01:04:14,400
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1344
01:04:21,620 --> 01:04:19,980
a radio on kgr a radio calm of course

1345
01:04:26,300 --> 01:04:21,630
you can listen to it on talk stream live

1346
01:04:29,090 --> 01:04:26,310
and other online services thanks that's

1347
01:04:31,220 --> 01:04:29,100
fantastic and we appreciate your time

1348
01:04:32,690 --> 01:04:31,230
today I know you have very short amount

1349
01:04:34,730 --> 01:04:32,700
of time anyway because you're extremely

1350
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:34,740
busy so we appreciate your discretionary

1351
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:36,690
time today mark thank you very much

1352
01:04:40,340 --> 01:04:37,650
thank you

1353
01:04:42,380 --> 01:04:40,350
anybody that I apologize for having

1354
01:04:44,090 --> 01:04:42,390
interrupted you can you please continue

1355
01:04:47,060 --> 01:04:44,100
your point and then I want to bring in a

1356
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:47,070
point that shane herd has made and also

1357
01:04:53,390 --> 01:04:50,490
a point that a Reuben or yata has made

1358
01:04:55,700 --> 01:04:53,400
also to me on the side so please do make

1359
01:04:57,380 --> 01:04:55,710
up the point make the point you were

1360
01:05:01,250 --> 01:04:57,390
making prior I apologize to my

1361
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:05,780
oh good I'll get this drooping thank you

1362
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:10,640
and that's a really fascinating topic

1363
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:14,250
possibility of viruses being brought in

1364
01:05:18,890 --> 01:05:17,010
from comments and that and I just began

1365
01:05:23,230 --> 01:05:18,900
thinking what about crash retrievals

1366
01:05:26,210 --> 01:05:23,240
there's always that possibility of

1367
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:26,220
people being exposed or the

1368
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:29,250
search-and-rescue teams that may go and

1369
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:32,850
and start investigating and retrieving a

1370
01:05:39,710 --> 01:05:36,090
crash and then they potentially may be

1371
01:05:45,250 --> 01:05:39,720
exposed or have been exposed to is some

1372
01:05:48,349 --> 01:05:45,260
sort of pathogen so that I was just

1373
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:48,359
thinking about that and and and also the

1374
01:05:52,250 --> 01:05:49,680
some of the cases that have been

1375
01:05:55,070 --> 01:05:52,260
presented whether there's actual proof

1376
01:05:58,940 --> 01:05:55,080
that's another story but I began

1377
01:06:01,820 --> 01:05:58,950
thinking about that oh by the way I

1378
01:06:06,020 --> 01:06:01,830
forgot to mention to Peter Davenport

1379
01:06:07,550 --> 01:06:06,030
brought up a really good point and I saw

1380
01:06:10,550 --> 01:06:07,560
that his presentation at one of the

1381
01:06:14,599 --> 01:06:10,560
MUFON symposiums on the on his project

1382
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:14,609
the posts or the on the radar that he

1383
01:06:18,650 --> 01:06:17,130
was passing reader and I thought that

1384
01:06:20,990 --> 01:06:18,660
was fascinating and I would really love

1385
01:06:24,109 --> 01:06:21,000
to see that get funded so I could

1386
01:06:27,020 --> 01:06:24,119
definitely support it thank you for the

1387
01:06:31,340 --> 01:06:27,030
comment this is Peter I think that was

1388
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:31,350
the 2004 symposium in Denver if I'm not

1389
01:06:36,980 --> 01:06:36,450
mistaken yes yes that's right yes that's

1390
01:06:39,710 --> 01:06:36,990
correct

1391
01:06:43,490 --> 01:06:39,720
and then I appeared before the board of

1392
01:06:46,700 --> 01:06:43,500
directors and state directors and I

1393
01:06:53,300 --> 01:06:46,710
think it was July of 2008 am I correct

1394
01:06:56,420 --> 01:06:53,310
Jan Jan may not be here 10 cars am made

1395
01:07:01,040 --> 01:06:56,430
pitch before the state directors and the

1396
01:07:03,740 --> 01:07:01,050
Board of Directors in July of 2008 for a

1397
01:07:06,109 --> 01:07:03,750
joint project between all UFO

1398
01:07:08,510 --> 01:07:06,119
organizations if we can build a

1399
01:07:12,260 --> 01:07:08,520
prototype we can cover the North

1400
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:12,270
American continent with is

1401
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:16,890
you as three stations I estimate and we

1402
01:07:23,210 --> 01:07:19,920
can monitor UFO activity directly and on

1403
01:07:28,490 --> 01:07:23,220
a real-time basis that's exactly what

1404
01:07:30,530 --> 01:07:28,500
the US Navy did with its in naval space

1405
01:07:35,540 --> 01:07:30,540
surveillance system that used to be in

1406
01:07:37,580 --> 01:07:35,550
operation in southern United States okay

1407
01:07:40,490 --> 01:07:37,590
fantastic thank you so much for that

1408
01:07:42,590 --> 01:07:40,500
input and also Shane had a interesting

1409
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:42,600
pointing I know he wanted to bring up do

1410
01:07:46,460 --> 01:07:44,490
you still want to make that point Shane

1411
01:07:48,650 --> 01:07:46,470
regarding what would constitute proof of

1412
01:07:50,780 --> 01:07:48,660
a pathogen that may have been delivered

1413
01:07:53,870 --> 01:07:50,790
by meteor or comet that's a good

1414
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:53,880
question what does constitute proof did

1415
01:08:00,290 --> 01:07:57,330
you still have that question Shane yeah

1416
01:08:03,980 --> 01:08:00,300
I was hoping market chairman but family

1417
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:03,990
doctor Scott and and Roger as well and

1418
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:06,690
just my thought is is there are so many

1419
01:08:11,390 --> 01:08:08,370
theories out there this might be a

1420
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:11,400
viable theory but how would you know how

1421
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:13,650
could you prove that a pathogen came

1422
01:08:26,450 --> 01:08:23,020
would be very difficult or impossible

1423
01:08:28,790 --> 01:08:26,460
that was Peter talking and dr. Rena

1424
01:08:30,710 --> 01:08:28,800
Scott or Roger estanque ovitch did you

1425
01:08:33,710 --> 01:08:30,720
have any input you want to share on that

1426
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:33,720
a very interesting point that Shane just

1427
01:08:41,420 --> 01:08:38,010
made about some how would you prove that

1428
01:08:44,420 --> 01:08:41,430
John a virus came on it on a meteorite

1429
01:08:50,570 --> 01:08:44,430
is that the question is that correct

1430
01:08:53,420 --> 01:08:50,580
Shane yeah that's it well it would be

1431
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:53,430
almost impossible because once it I

1432
01:08:57,250 --> 01:08:55,650
suppose if you picked up a fragment of

1433
01:09:00,200 --> 01:08:57,260
the meteor out of the Commodore whatever

1434
01:09:02,090 --> 01:09:00,210
you know if you tested it it had already

1435
01:09:04,340 --> 01:09:02,100
hit the Earth's atmosphere it's already

1436
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:04,350
hit the ground etc you'd be contaminated

1437
01:09:11,270 --> 01:09:07,290
by by bacteria and viruses on earth so

1438
01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:11,280
there's no real way of testing it apart

1439
01:09:16,700 --> 01:09:14,490
from I suppose sampling the the

1440
01:09:19,460 --> 01:09:16,710
troposphere to see whether there's DNA

1441
01:09:22,460 --> 01:09:19,470
or RNA up there I don't know whether

1442
01:09:26,210 --> 01:09:22,470
anyone's done that but there could be

1443
01:09:33,050 --> 01:09:26,220
you know fragments of DNA or RNA already

1444
01:09:34,940 --> 01:09:33,060
up and I'm off a meteorite but that's

1445
01:09:38,420 --> 01:09:34,950
come within close proximity to earth I

1446
01:09:40,940 --> 01:09:38,430
don't know how you will be tested okay

1447
01:09:43,550 --> 01:09:40,950
and dr. Irina Scott did you want to

1448
01:09:46,670 --> 01:09:43,560
bring up any information on or insight

1449
01:09:50,059 --> 01:09:46,680
on that topic brought up well if you had

1450
01:09:55,790 --> 01:09:50,069
a meteorite that just oh and you're able

1451
01:09:58,190 --> 01:09:55,800
to absolutely confirm that that a

1452
01:10:01,160 --> 01:09:58,200
particular organic compound was in that

1453
01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:01,170
meteorite you could but that would be

1454
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:03,360
very difficult because they have they

1455
01:10:09,020 --> 01:10:06,960
don't always they can't always tell

1456
01:10:11,210 --> 01:10:09,030
whether it's contamination or not and

1457
01:10:13,850 --> 01:10:11,220
then if you found DNA in the atmosphere

1458
01:10:15,710 --> 01:10:13,860
well it probably our own DNA it wouldn't

1459
01:10:17,480 --> 01:10:15,720
it wouldn't necessarily be from anyplace

1460
01:10:19,610 --> 01:10:17,490
else unless it was a completely

1461
01:10:23,660 --> 01:10:19,620
different type of molecule than what we

1462
01:10:27,980 --> 01:10:23,670
have of the four components of the DNA

1463
01:10:29,660 --> 01:10:27,990
so I think it would be but you could

1464
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:29,670
prove it I mean if you found a meteorite

1465
01:10:31,850 --> 01:10:30,690
in your app

1466
01:10:35,390 --> 01:10:31,860
solutely sure that it wasn't

1467
01:10:38,660 --> 01:10:35,400
contaminated it had a particular RNA or

1468
01:10:40,970 --> 01:10:38,670
DNA you could show that but I don't been

1469
01:10:43,070 --> 01:10:40,980
done great thank you that was a great

1470
01:10:44,420 --> 01:10:43,080
point Shane and also Ruben who do you a

1471
01:10:46,340 --> 01:10:44,430
thank you very much for bringing up

1472
01:10:48,770 --> 01:10:46,350
those interesting points I wanted to

1473
01:10:50,450 --> 01:10:48,780
talk to dr. Anna Scott very briefly

1474
01:10:54,650 --> 01:10:50,460
because we're pressed for time on a

1475
01:10:56,689 --> 01:10:54,660
really a wonderful icon in the UFO

1476
01:10:58,760 --> 01:10:56,699
community I believe she passed away

1477
01:11:00,470 --> 01:10:58,770
early April she may have to correct me

1478
01:11:04,459 --> 01:11:00,480
on the day believe it was April 8th of

1479
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:04,469
this year and dr. rena scott was very

1480
01:11:10,490 --> 01:11:07,440
close friends with jenny our Zeidman and

1481
01:11:12,850 --> 01:11:10,500
dino michael hall and possibly Peter

1482
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:12,860
Davenport have heard of her she wrote

1483
01:11:18,770 --> 01:11:17,010
extensively on the UFO topic and wanted

1484
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:18,780
to mention just a little bit about her

1485
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:21,810
as she was Jenny or Zeidman was dr. J

1486
01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:24,330
Allen Hynek private secretary and author

1487
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:27,120
of multiple UFO related books she was

1488
01:11:30,650 --> 01:11:28,800
considered a serious investigator of the

1489
01:11:32,510 --> 01:11:30,660
UFO topic if you want to learn a little

1490
01:11:35,930 --> 01:11:32,520
bit more about what she wrote about you

1491
01:11:38,209 --> 01:11:35,940
can actually look up Isaac coy he

1492
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:38,219
actually collected quite a bit of data

1493
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:41,250
and that she actually took the time to

1494
01:11:46,729 --> 01:11:43,290
write on and does she dedicated her life

1495
01:11:48,979 --> 01:11:46,739
to that the UFO topic and also I believe

1496
01:11:52,459 --> 01:11:48,989
it was so Steven Bassett and his

1497
01:11:55,850 --> 01:11:52,469
paradigm Research Center he had some

1498
01:11:59,209 --> 01:11:55,860
really fantastic info on her also so be

1499
01:12:02,000 --> 01:11:59,219
triple W paradigm research group dot-org

1500
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:02,010
he has a great bibliography on her and

1501
01:12:07,550 --> 01:12:05,250
then also Isaac coy if you look him up

1502
01:12:10,370 --> 01:12:07,560
he has fantastic lists of books that she

1503
01:12:14,180 --> 01:12:10,380
wrote including other details of her

1504
01:12:16,610 --> 01:12:14,190
life dr. rena scott you actually said

1505
01:12:18,229 --> 01:12:16,620
something really wonderful about her i'm

1506
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:18,239
going to go ahead and read to everybody

1507
01:12:25,490 --> 01:12:22,410
what it was she said she was about the

1508
01:12:27,530 --> 01:12:25,500
first ufologist i met she helped me in

1509
01:12:30,170 --> 01:12:27,540
many ways and furnished a lot of the

1510
01:12:31,610 --> 01:12:30,180
material for my last book this included

1511
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:31,620
dr. J Allen Hynek

1512
01:12:37,700 --> 01:12:34,410
handwritten letters and much material

1513
01:12:40,430 --> 01:12:37,710
and information from the Patel SR 14

1514
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:40,440
study that gave a super idea of what

1515
01:12:47,010 --> 01:12:44,290
went on and much more from Blue Book and

1516
01:12:48,090 --> 01:12:47,020
where she worked for dr. Hynek at Ohio

1517
01:12:50,070 --> 01:12:48,100
State University

1518
01:12:52,710 --> 01:12:50,080
Battelle Memorial Institute and

1519
01:12:54,930 --> 01:12:52,720
wright-patterson Air Force bases Project

1520
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:54,940
Blue Book she worked at all these

1521
01:12:59,250 --> 01:12:56,650
institutions was a writer and

1522
01:13:03,000 --> 01:12:59,260
investigator she let me use many photos

1523
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:03,010
of ufologists and also of dr. Hynek she

1524
01:13:07,530 --> 01:13:05,410
will be really missed I think she had

1525
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:07,540
been on the board of directors of both q

1526
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:10,930
fo and MUFON she was a pilot and solved

1527
01:13:16,380 --> 01:13:13,690
one of dr. hynek's cases that impressed

1528
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:16,390
him and he hired her she spent many

1529
01:13:23,100 --> 01:13:21,040
years researching UFOs then dr. Scott

1530
01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:23,110
goes on to say much of the material in

1531
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:25,120
my last book came from her sacred

1532
01:13:29,130 --> 01:13:27,370
quarters secrets behind the real Project

1533
01:13:29,700 --> 01:13:29,140
Blue Book wright-patterson Air Force

1534
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:29,710
Base

1535
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:33,040
Roswell Patel memory metal and dr. J

1536
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:35,170
Allen Hynek and UFO cover-ups if you

1537
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:36,610
want to find out more about those

1538
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:38,530
wonderful books at dr. arenas Scott

1539
01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:40,570
wrote which I myself have actually

1540
01:13:45,210 --> 01:13:42,490
bought one recently and it's just

1541
01:13:47,790 --> 01:13:45,220
wonderful reading you go to Amazon and

1542
01:13:52,110 --> 01:13:47,800
you can just Google dr. arena Scott and

1543
01:13:54,540 --> 01:13:52,120
then type in Amazon and a UFO and all of

1544
01:13:55,890 --> 01:13:54,550
her books will pop up now dr. rena scott

1545
01:13:59,640 --> 01:13:55,900
i want to tell you something very

1546
01:14:01,740 --> 01:13:59,650
personal and that is you know i've seen

1547
01:14:06,210 --> 01:14:01,750
a lot in my lifetime i've been through

1548
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:06,220
breast cancer twice and i have actually

1549
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:09,370
seen also in my lifetime an awful lot of

1550
01:14:15,210 --> 01:14:11,770
sexism I've seen women treated very

1551
01:14:19,710 --> 01:14:15,220
badly because they were women now I

1552
01:14:24,290 --> 01:14:19,720
think to say that and Jenny are Zeidman

1553
01:14:28,140 --> 01:14:24,300
was dr. J Allen Hynek private secretary

1554
01:14:32,700 --> 01:14:28,150
marginalizes her regarding all the

1555
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:32,710
extensive effort and wherewithal she put

1556
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:36,610
forward toward the UFO topic and I think

1557
01:14:41,940 --> 01:14:39,520
it's important that we emphasize how

1558
01:14:44,220 --> 01:14:41,950
great she really was can you please

1559
01:14:46,770 --> 01:14:44,230
touch on that topic a doctor Irena Scott

1560
01:14:48,690 --> 01:14:46,780
I don't think she was a his private

1561
01:14:51,480 --> 01:14:48,700
secretary she started out as his

1562
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:51,490
research associate he was teaching

1563
01:14:57,570 --> 01:14:55,090
astronomy at OSU and he was impressed by

1564
01:15:01,200 --> 01:14:57,580
her ability to solve a

1565
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:01,210
that he had with he would discuss his

1566
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:03,610
UFO cases in class and she solved one of

1567
01:15:11,070 --> 01:15:06,640
them and he hired her but she worked for

1568
01:15:19,290 --> 01:15:11,080
Mattel and for wright-patterson project

1569
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:19,300
Bluebook and Ohio State University in

1570
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:21,850
the Astronomy Department she worked for

1571
01:15:34,050 --> 01:15:30,250
all three and she investigated UFOs is

1572
01:15:36,810 --> 01:15:34,060
her own self not as his secretary when

1573
01:15:41,490 --> 01:15:36,820
she was working for him one of her jobs

1574
01:15:43,770 --> 01:15:41,500
was to go through the UFO cases that

1575
01:15:46,170 --> 01:15:43,780
they had selected for Blue Book and she

1576
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:46,180
selected the ones that she thought were

1577
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:48,610
interesting that he oughta look into

1578
01:15:55,020 --> 01:15:50,770
more detail and that was one of her

1579
01:16:00,110 --> 01:15:55,030
things but she um she was actually being

1580
01:16:08,580 --> 01:16:00,120
paid by the four by the Air Force and a

1581
01:16:10,590 --> 01:16:08,590
lot of my book came from the write the

1582
01:16:13,290 --> 01:16:10,600
Project Blue Book special report number

1583
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:13,300
fourteen and that was done by Mattel

1584
01:16:20,940 --> 01:16:18,130
back in 1952 and it was it was probably

1585
01:16:28,140 --> 01:16:20,950
the top scientific work that's ever been

1586
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:28,150
done on UFOs and back in 1952 they put

1587
01:16:36,210 --> 01:16:31,050
the information for Project Blue Book on

1588
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:36,220
computers I mean way back then and they

1589
01:16:42,210 --> 01:16:39,610
used cards and all that and did a study

1590
01:16:44,780 --> 01:16:42,220
and not only did they do things like

1591
01:16:47,010 --> 01:16:44,790
finding out what portions are

1592
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:47,020
astronomical and all that but they also

1593
01:16:53,300 --> 01:16:50,170
did a study to find out if UFOs were

1594
01:16:59,460 --> 01:16:53,310
real and they did a statistical study

1595
01:17:01,920 --> 01:16:59,470
using you well he he had about thirteen

1596
01:17:05,100 --> 01:17:01,930
thousand cases and they called that down

1597
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:05,110
to about three thousand and get a

1598
01:17:11,109 --> 01:17:07,690
statistical study there where they use

1599
01:17:13,449 --> 01:17:11,119
the control group of you

1600
01:17:16,270 --> 01:17:13,459
phoE reports that were identified later

1601
01:17:20,369 --> 01:17:16,280
compared to UFOs reports that were never

1602
01:17:23,619 --> 01:17:20,379
identified and they came out with a a

1603
01:17:26,139 --> 01:17:23,629
very highly significant difference in

1604
01:17:31,959 --> 01:17:26,149
them which would highly suggest that

1605
01:17:34,839 --> 01:17:31,969
UFOs are real and so they went one step

1606
01:17:36,819 --> 01:17:34,849
further of just analyzing you know where

1607
01:17:38,279 --> 01:17:36,829
they were and what they were the shape

1608
01:17:41,109 --> 01:17:38,289
and things like that they did an actual

1609
01:17:44,319 --> 01:17:41,119
statistical study with chi-squared

1610
01:17:47,500 --> 01:17:44,329
comparing to a control group and a real

1611
01:17:50,830 --> 01:17:47,510
group of UFOs and finding statistical

1612
01:17:53,859 --> 01:17:50,840
differences only got about one chance in

1613
01:17:56,409 --> 01:17:53,869
a billion that against the idea that

1614
01:18:00,759 --> 01:17:56,419
your foes are prosaic objects and they

1615
01:18:03,459 --> 01:18:00,769
even suggested further studies but this

1616
01:18:07,330 --> 01:18:03,469
was about the highest level study that's

1617
01:18:09,069 --> 01:18:07,340
been done on UFOs ever it'd be very hard

1618
01:18:10,719 --> 01:18:09,079
for a private organization do that

1619
01:18:16,259 --> 01:18:10,729
because of government there because they

1620
01:18:19,449 --> 01:18:16,269
had money and so I used a lot of the

1621
01:18:25,020 --> 01:18:19,459
information she had directly from Mattel

1622
01:18:28,060 --> 01:18:25,030
on that and she went into a lot of work

1623
01:18:30,669 --> 01:18:28,070
studying it and interviewed the people

1624
01:18:32,919 --> 01:18:30,679
that did the study that she could find

1625
01:18:36,609 --> 01:18:32,929
and that sort of thing - and got their

1626
01:18:39,399 --> 01:18:36,619
opinions it was a highly it was top

1627
01:18:41,949 --> 01:18:39,409
secret - I mean Project Blue Book was

1628
01:18:44,639 --> 01:18:41,959
sort of a debunking thing for the public

1629
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:44,649
but it showed that they were actually

1630
01:18:49,899 --> 01:18:48,530
interested in what UFOs were the only

1631
01:18:51,369 --> 01:18:49,909
reason anybody found out about the

1632
01:18:54,699 --> 01:18:51,379
secret study was because of a

1633
01:18:58,869 --> 01:18:54,709
whistleblower and she never found out

1634
01:19:00,669 --> 01:18:58,879
who the whistleblower was that is

1635
01:19:02,529 --> 01:19:00,679
fabulous and thank you so very much for

1636
01:19:05,229 --> 01:19:02,539
having corrected me on that I wanted to

1637
01:19:08,500 --> 01:19:05,239
mention something interesting and and

1638
01:19:10,719 --> 01:19:08,510
that is that Jenny Zeidman was actually

1639
01:19:12,369 --> 01:19:10,729
mentioned in a book called UFO secrets

1640
01:19:14,919 --> 01:19:12,379
inside wright-patterson eyewitness

1641
01:19:18,069 --> 01:19:14,929
accounts from the role area 51 by Thomas

1642
01:19:20,949 --> 01:19:18,079
J Carey I believe it says and Donald R

1643
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:20,959
Schmidt I'm trying to read one point

1644
01:19:24,820 --> 01:19:23,449
font there so forgive me I think that is

1645
01:19:27,550 --> 01:19:24,830
the gentleman's named

1646
01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:27,560
Thomas J Carrey in paragraph in that

1647
01:19:31,900 --> 01:19:30,320
book it actually says I'll go ahead and

1648
01:19:34,030 --> 01:19:31,910
read the paragraph the last-known

1649
01:19:36,190 --> 01:19:34,040
meeting between general Weinbrenner and

1650
01:19:38,770 --> 01:19:36,200
Hynek also included colonel robert

1651
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:38,780
friend the former head of Project Blue

1652
01:19:43,900 --> 01:19:40,570
Book the appointment took place in early

1653
01:19:46,150 --> 01:19:43,910
1974 and after heated exchange Hynek

1654
01:19:48,070 --> 01:19:46,160
stormed out of the room yelling patsies

1655
01:19:50,740 --> 01:19:48,080
patsies they're trying to make us all

1656
01:19:54,130 --> 01:19:50,750
patsies all over again his private

1657
01:19:56,620 --> 01:19:54,140
secretary and Jenny Seidman was waiting

1658
01:19:59,140 --> 01:19:56,630
for him as he entered her car he was

1659
01:20:00,520 --> 01:19:59,150
clearly upset and it was a long tense

1660
01:20:03,670 --> 01:20:00,530
drive back to Illinois

1661
01:20:07,480 --> 01:20:03,680
Hynek did not say a word what is your

1662
01:20:10,390 --> 01:20:07,490
input on that right there regarding her

1663
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:10,400
being labeled a private secretary also

1664
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:13,730
wanted to mention to you I noticed my

1665
01:20:17,890 --> 01:20:15,650
repeated efforts to do research on her

1666
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:17,900
would bring up that title can you please

1667
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:19,610
fill us in on that and thank you for

1668
01:20:29,470 --> 01:20:25,370
correcting me well I think she was she

1669
01:20:34,140 --> 01:20:29,480
was a secretary okay great well thank

1670
01:20:52,050 --> 01:20:43,320
dr. Scott so in Koufos files there's a

1671
01:20:58,210 --> 01:20:52,060
some material about bikel and also a

1672
01:21:04,150 --> 01:20:58,220
special report 14 and of course in 1953

1673
01:21:08,140 --> 01:21:04,160
Hynek and jeanne were working on

1674
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:08,150
something called project Henry have you

1675
01:21:15,820 --> 01:21:10,730
heard of that I can't think of it right

1676
01:21:18,250 --> 01:21:15,830
now okay well anyways I I I'm I'm

1677
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:18,260
fascinated by the fact that you say you

1678
01:21:24,940 --> 01:21:22,090
have that she she kept a lot of his

1679
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:24,950
handwritten correspondence is there any

1680
01:21:33,480 --> 01:21:29,810
chance that that might be scanned or

1681
01:21:35,580 --> 01:21:33,490
available at some time it's in my book I

1682
01:21:37,660 --> 01:21:35,590
prove all the court all the

1683
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:37,670
correspondences in there I thought there

1684
01:21:44,490 --> 01:21:38,650
was extensive

1685
01:21:49,959 --> 01:21:44,500
of what she gave me oh okay yeah

1686
01:21:54,100 --> 01:21:49,969
Vitelli is really interesting Rubel

1687
01:21:57,129 --> 01:21:54,110
tries to take credit for being the

1688
01:22:02,500 --> 01:21:57,139
instigator but it was actually the whole

1689
01:22:04,689 --> 01:22:02,510
thing with patel was actually in 1950

1690
01:22:07,649 --> 01:22:04,699
before they even got room felt into

1691
01:22:13,569 --> 01:22:07,659
Project Blue Book that was already

1692
01:22:17,549 --> 01:22:13,579
proposed by General Garland he already

1693
01:22:20,319 --> 01:22:17,559
wanted to see this study done so it's

1694
01:22:22,419 --> 01:22:20,329
it's interesting the number of people

1695
01:22:23,919 --> 01:22:22,429
that try to get in there and say I I was

1696
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:23,929
responsible for this

1697
01:22:30,399 --> 01:22:28,489
but yeah it's historically there's a

1698
01:22:37,109 --> 01:22:30,409
there's a lot of stuff that has not yet

1699
01:22:41,290 --> 01:22:37,119
come out and yeah I mean you know on the

1700
01:22:43,660 --> 01:22:41,300
pentacle memorandum the person that's

1701
01:22:46,149 --> 01:22:43,670
listed first is a president at Mattel

1702
01:22:50,049 --> 01:22:46,159
and he's the one that accepted the study

1703
01:22:52,060 --> 01:22:50,059
from Project Blue Book which you know

1704
01:22:54,819 --> 01:22:52,070
that was his rep you the tells

1705
01:22:58,259 --> 01:22:54,829
reputation right there and he accepted

1706
01:23:03,549 --> 01:22:58,269
the study enables to be top-secret but

1707
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:03,559
he was interested and Jenny interviewed

1708
01:23:07,689 --> 01:23:05,690
people to find out what his opinion on

1709
01:23:09,279 --> 01:23:07,699
things were and he was very interested

1710
01:23:18,549 --> 01:23:09,289
in the project and thought they might be

1711
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:18,559
able to find something so he was I think

1712
01:23:30,250 --> 01:23:22,489
he was the president of Mattel won the

1713
01:23:32,009 --> 01:23:30,260
1947 Roswell even occurred yeah one

1714
01:23:39,359 --> 01:23:32,019
thing that I said that

1715
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:39,369
Patel took they got copies of not only

1716
01:23:44,950 --> 01:23:42,650
Project Blue Book stuff but civilians

1717
01:23:48,970 --> 01:23:44,960
that were given especially after Life

1718
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:48,980
magazine they got they had several

1719
01:23:57,130 --> 01:23:52,250
hundred items that the

1720
01:24:03,220 --> 01:23:57,140
both Life magazine and civilian saucer

1721
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:03,230
in intelligence in Los Angeles and Life

1722
01:24:09,130 --> 01:24:07,610
magazine and and Blue Book got and they

1723
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:09,140
took some of those letters when they

1724
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:10,610
made this study so it wasn't just

1725
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:14,170
Project Blue Book stuff but Hayek said

1726
01:24:22,950 --> 01:24:17,930
after they finished the study they

1727
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:22,960
destroyed all the the raw data and

1728
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:25,370
unfortunately some of that raw data was

1729
01:24:33,250 --> 01:24:30,650
only in one copy and so stuff was lost

1730
01:24:36,070 --> 01:24:33,260
there it's one of the many times many

1731
01:24:43,689 --> 01:24:36,080
times that stuff was lost from Project

1732
01:24:48,070 --> 01:24:43,699
Blue Book but tells interesting there

1733
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:48,080
and contractors actually comparable to

1734
01:24:54,790 --> 01:24:51,890
the contract with Bigelow they're both

1735
01:24:56,530 --> 01:24:54,800
very interesting yes and I'm glad you

1736
01:25:00,580 --> 01:24:56,540
mentioned that topic Jim we're gonna go

1737
01:25:02,790 --> 01:25:00,590
and move on to that topic jim Kerr could

1738
01:25:05,229 --> 01:25:02,800
not be with us today he is a

1739
01:25:08,110 --> 01:25:05,239
investigator of the UFO topic he

1740
01:25:10,780 --> 01:25:08,120
actually forensic ly analyzes a video in

1741
01:25:12,610 --> 01:25:10,790
photo and we were ready for him but he

1742
01:25:14,650 --> 01:25:12,620
had to back out at the last minute due

1743
01:25:17,110 --> 01:25:14,660
to a personal emergency wanted to

1744
01:25:19,150 --> 01:25:17,120
mention a really fascinating topic and

1745
01:25:21,340 --> 01:25:19,160
that Jan brought to my attention I'm

1746
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:21,350
gonna read what he said and then I'm

1747
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:23,090
hoping that Jan will go ahead and start

1748
01:25:29,290 --> 01:25:26,170
the topic and people can chime in on it

1749
01:25:34,930 --> 01:25:29,300
I'll go ahead and start it says on the

1750
01:25:38,830 --> 01:25:34,940
topic of a ati p / Bigelow bass ba BWA

1751
01:25:40,150 --> 01:25:38,840
SS a first and foremost and the

1752
01:25:42,820 --> 01:25:40,160
government can't tell the truth

1753
01:25:45,580 --> 01:25:42,830
involving UFOs or whatever they want to

1754
01:25:49,530 --> 01:25:45,590
call them and their involvement with

1755
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:49,540
them second Elizondo is basically a

1756
01:25:55,780 --> 01:25:52,489
soft-shoe dancer his answers are full of

1757
01:25:57,790 --> 01:25:55,790
evasions and obfuscation 'he's it is

1758
01:25:59,860 --> 01:25:57,800
unclear what Bigelow and his company

1759
01:26:02,620 --> 01:25:59,870
actually investigated involving his

1760
01:26:04,780 --> 01:26:02,630
contract with skinwalker ranch part of

1761
01:26:06,100 --> 01:26:04,790
the government business or just a side

1762
01:26:08,110 --> 01:26:06,110
investigation

1763
01:26:10,180 --> 01:26:08,120
the glow is under no obligation to

1764
01:26:12,340 --> 01:26:10,190
explain his involvement as I have

1765
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:12,350
pointed out before probably the wrong

1766
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:15,290
questions are being asked everyone in

1767
01:26:20,190 --> 01:26:17,930
the military has a boss what entity

1768
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:20,200
parenthesis entities and the parentheses

1769
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:26,480
did a a TI P and a a WS AP report - in

1770
01:26:32,470 --> 01:26:28,970
the chain of command were their staff

1771
01:26:34,990 --> 01:26:32,480
supervision number - Elizondo contention

1772
01:26:37,690 --> 01:26:35,000
that AAT IP was never told to stand down

1773
01:26:41,350 --> 01:26:37,700
seems quite unlikely what allowed them

1774
01:26:43,420 --> 01:26:41,360
to continue three Elizondo claimed that

1775
01:26:46,210 --> 01:26:43,430
its incidents came to him already

1776
01:26:48,930 --> 01:26:46,220
investigated and vetted what entities

1777
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:48,940
weren't involved here investigating such

1778
01:26:56,050 --> 01:26:53,120
report number four Elizondo claim

1779
01:26:59,860 --> 01:26:56,060
funding post dia came for other

1780
01:27:02,140 --> 01:26:59,870
departments or agencies which seems this

1781
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:02,150
should be subject to some kind of audit

1782
01:27:06,910 --> 01:27:04,610
I don't expect any answers to these

1783
01:27:08,590 --> 01:27:06,920
questions in the next decade what I

1784
01:27:10,660 --> 01:27:08,600
expect are further outright lies

1785
01:27:12,580 --> 01:27:10,670
evasions and obfuscation

1786
01:27:14,500 --> 01:27:12,590
I wanted to mention that was the end of

1787
01:27:19,390 --> 01:27:14,510
the quote that he's talking about Lou

1788
01:27:21,730 --> 01:27:19,400
Elizondo so Jan can you please let us

1789
01:27:26,860 --> 01:27:21,740
know what you were touching upon there

1790
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:26,870
explain a little bit well the first

1791
01:27:33,180 --> 01:27:30,010
thing about the government is of course

1792
01:27:36,610 --> 01:27:33,190
a quote from Barry Greenwood the

1793
01:27:40,710 --> 01:27:36,620
government can't tell the truth about

1794
01:27:44,110 --> 01:27:40,720
UFOs in their row and we said that in

1795
01:27:47,620 --> 01:27:44,120
UFOs in government the book by Michael

1796
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:47,630
swords and Woodham Paulo and the rest of

1797
01:27:54,340 --> 01:27:51,890
us hangers on we said that and of course

1798
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:54,350
the British got very upset about that or

1799
01:27:58,780 --> 01:27:56,330
you can't say that about government

1800
01:28:04,780 --> 01:27:58,790
servants and stuff like that we can and

1801
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:04,790
we do yeah as far as being able to tell

1802
01:28:10,450 --> 01:28:07,610
the truth let's go back to Patel when

1803
01:28:16,030 --> 01:28:10,460
they issued project

1804
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:16,040
special project special report 14th the

1805
01:28:20,290 --> 01:28:18,530
secretary Air Force outright lied he

1806
01:28:26,129 --> 01:28:20,300
said that

1807
01:28:33,339 --> 01:28:30,209
vehicles that will behave like UFOs do

1808
01:28:36,700 --> 01:28:33,349
and he was referring to the avrocar and

1809
01:28:39,580 --> 01:28:36,710
anybody that's seen a film of the

1810
01:28:42,129 --> 01:28:39,590
avrocar I saw one order it tried to take

1811
01:28:44,050 --> 01:28:42,139
off and and went into a ditch out at

1812
01:28:49,089 --> 01:28:44,060
wright-patterson so it's it's a real

1813
01:28:51,359 --> 01:28:49,099
joke so the secretary Air Force was

1814
01:28:58,510 --> 01:28:51,369
outright lying to the press right there

1815
01:29:01,359 --> 01:28:58,520
um as far as Allison Dole is he is a he

1816
01:29:04,780 --> 01:29:01,369
is an intelligence official he's uh he

1817
01:29:07,319 --> 01:29:04,790
has a very interesting career and he's

1818
01:29:10,180 --> 01:29:07,329
you know he you know it's like you say

1819
01:29:12,970 --> 01:29:10,190
thank you for your service but I believe

1820
01:29:18,700 --> 01:29:12,980
he is not being at all candid whenever

1821
01:29:22,540 --> 01:29:18,710
he talks about his role and AAA ITP and

1822
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:22,550
anything else and I know my friend

1823
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:26,090
interviewed him and a lot of things were

1824
01:29:30,910 --> 01:29:28,250
this is classified that's classified

1825
01:29:33,450 --> 01:29:30,920
this is classified and of course the

1826
01:29:35,950 --> 01:29:33,460
article in The New York Times said no

1827
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:35,960
everything almost everything is

1828
01:29:41,020 --> 01:29:38,090
unclassified so what do we have here we

1829
01:29:48,910 --> 01:29:41,030
have a real something there that needs

1830
01:29:53,319 --> 01:29:48,920
to be resolved as as far as I've always

1831
01:29:57,700 --> 01:29:53,329
been interested in in where a AIT P and

1832
01:30:01,089 --> 01:29:57,710
the other organization fit in where

1833
01:30:03,370 --> 01:30:01,099
where is on the wire diagram of the

1834
01:30:06,189 --> 01:30:03,380
Defense Intelligence Agency exactly

1835
01:30:09,669 --> 01:30:06,199
where it is who's the boss who do they

1836
01:30:12,729 --> 01:30:09,679
report to that's that's unclear and that

1837
01:30:14,169 --> 01:30:12,739
that to me being it having 25 years in

1838
01:30:19,839 --> 01:30:14,179
the military it's important to figure

1839
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:19,849
out who who's interacting with who s but

1840
01:30:26,410 --> 01:30:24,170
he he did say that a AIT P was a hundred

1841
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:26,420
percent UFOs and of course the

1842
01:30:32,740 --> 01:30:28,489
government says didn't have anything to

1843
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:32,750
do with UFOs so there's another thing

1844
01:30:37,690 --> 01:30:33,770
that needs to be reason

1845
01:30:40,660 --> 01:30:37,700
all okay I just wanted to interject here

1846
01:30:43,210 --> 01:30:40,670
thank you for clearing up that statement

1847
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:43,220
you made I wanted to just say something

1848
01:30:48,700 --> 01:30:45,290
about the Louella zonder topic and that

1849
01:30:52,180 --> 01:30:48,710
is I think it's a very naive for all of

1850
01:30:58,930 --> 01:30:52,190
us to think is that the UFO topic was

1851
01:31:01,600 --> 01:30:58,940
only attributed to a project with with

1852
01:31:04,810 --> 01:31:01,610
money to back it up for five to seven

1853
01:31:07,030 --> 01:31:04,820
years not that's very naive for anybody

1854
01:31:09,610 --> 01:31:07,040
to believe that that's the only allotted

1855
01:31:12,220 --> 01:31:09,620
time that the US government would have

1856
01:31:16,540 --> 01:31:12,230
actually studied anything traversing the

1857
01:31:18,220 --> 01:31:16,550
skies that is an unknown now Frank can

1858
01:31:20,440 --> 01:31:18,230
you do me a favor and just mute mute

1859
01:31:22,770 --> 01:31:20,450
your mic thank you

1860
01:31:25,390 --> 01:31:22,780
the other thing I wanted to mention is

1861
01:31:28,540 --> 01:31:25,400
anything that traverses the skies around

1862
01:31:30,220 --> 01:31:28,550
the world any government whether the

1863
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:30,230
first or third world governments are

1864
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:32,810
going to want to monitor it and so for

1865
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:35,330
anybody to believe and that the Pentagon

1866
01:31:42,340 --> 01:31:37,850
had a ufo-related

1867
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:42,350
program for only a few years is it's

1868
01:31:47,860 --> 01:31:46,130
unreasonable and it's unrealistic does

1869
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:47,870
anybody want to touch in on this topic

1870
01:31:58,390 --> 01:31:53,770
at all I used to work in air order and

1871
01:32:02,920 --> 01:31:58,400
the DIA tried to keep track of all all

1872
01:32:04,540 --> 01:32:02,930
the aircraft in the world I mean we was

1873
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:04,550
satellite photography we would look at

1874
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:07,610
see the aircraft and measure it and its

1875
01:32:11,650 --> 01:32:09,530
dimensions and everything figure out

1876
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:11,660
what aircraft it was and I think they do

1877
01:32:23,710 --> 01:32:14,570
that for all over the world I mean it's

1878
01:32:25,740 --> 01:32:23,720
all classified okay great go ahead this

1879
01:32:30,100 --> 01:32:25,750
is Peter speaking from Washington State

1880
01:32:32,650 --> 01:32:30,110
I agree with your statement I alluded to

1881
01:32:35,050 --> 01:32:32,660
the naval space surveillance system and

1882
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:35,060
it can be found on the internet quite

1883
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:39,010
easily that was run i presume from

1884
01:32:46,410 --> 01:32:42,530
shortly after when Sputnik was launched

1885
01:32:51,180 --> 01:32:46,420
in october 57 - just a few years ago

1886
01:32:54,810 --> 01:32:51,190
and the system is ideally suited for

1887
01:32:59,520 --> 01:32:54,820
detecting not only satellites and other

1888
01:33:02,130 --> 01:32:59,530
orbiting objects but UFOs as well so the

1889
01:33:06,180 --> 01:33:02,140
US Navy and therefore the government

1890
01:33:09,630 --> 01:33:06,190
must have been detecting UFOs directly

1891
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:09,640
on a real-time basis for decades at

1892
01:33:20,189 --> 01:33:14,410
least five decades I would say I jumped

1893
01:33:25,770 --> 01:33:20,199
in here again Peter you're absolutely

1894
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:25,780
correct in fact Greenwood did a soil to

1895
01:33:30,900 --> 01:33:28,810
the Navy and they they said in listen

1896
01:33:34,110 --> 01:33:30,910
these might be interesting to you and

1897
01:33:38,610 --> 01:33:34,120
they sent them a whole bunch of angles

1898
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:38,620
where they detected unknown objects they

1899
01:33:43,950 --> 01:33:40,570
they claimed that they didn't have the

1900
01:33:50,419 --> 01:33:43,960
money to to go ahead and figure out what

1901
01:33:58,490 --> 01:33:55,110
Brad sparks articles in Gary Clark's new

1902
01:34:03,030 --> 01:33:58,500
encyclopedia about NORAD and how they

1903
01:34:07,410 --> 01:34:03,040
they're unknown list power it figures

1904
01:34:11,550 --> 01:34:07,420
into the UFO thing and why I can talk to

1905
01:34:13,530 --> 01:34:11,560
you I want to say I salute you I I can't

1906
01:34:16,979 --> 01:34:13,540
believe the work that you've done here

1907
01:34:19,140 --> 01:34:16,989
Peter thank you well thank you thank you

1908
01:34:22,709 --> 01:34:19,150
for the comment thanks for the nice

1909
01:34:27,150 --> 01:34:22,719
compliment the government has clearly

1910
01:34:31,100 --> 01:34:27,160
been detecting UFOs using radars and

1911
01:34:33,810 --> 01:34:31,110
passive radars for decades and it's

1912
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:33,820
proof positive I think that they've been

1913
01:34:41,790 --> 01:34:37,090
lying to us since 1947 or even before

1914
01:34:44,340 --> 01:34:41,800
then okay Peter thank you very much for

1915
01:34:47,459 --> 01:34:44,350
that input and yes I know we've thank

1916
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:47,469
you before but Jan did say thank you

1917
01:34:50,610 --> 01:34:49,210
again for good reason we really can't

1918
01:34:52,919 --> 01:34:50,620
thank you enough for all the valuable

1919
01:34:55,970 --> 01:34:52,929
work that you've contributed to the UFO

1920
01:34:58,650 --> 01:34:55,980
community Michael I wanted to ask you a

1921
01:35:00,330 --> 01:34:58,660
how do you feel about this topic that

1922
01:35:02,970 --> 01:35:00,340
Gianna's brought up do you have any

1923
01:35:08,490 --> 01:35:02,980
mints or insight you want to share about

1924
01:35:10,860 --> 01:35:08,500
it well yes you know it's very amazing

1925
01:35:12,690 --> 01:35:10,870
to me and I'm sure all of us seasoned

1926
01:35:15,420 --> 01:35:12,700
people that have been involved in this

1927
01:35:18,990 --> 01:35:15,430
field for decades literally most of us

1928
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:19,000
here on the panel is that why all of a

1929
01:35:26,180 --> 01:35:22,050
sudden December 16th

1930
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:26,190
2017 the floodgates have opened with

1931
01:35:33,870 --> 01:35:30,210
actual confirmation from the Pentagon

1932
01:35:36,030 --> 01:35:33,880
the Department of Defense the Navy all

1933
01:35:39,170 --> 01:35:36,040
of these government and military

1934
01:35:43,050 --> 01:35:39,180
entities actually now coming forth

1935
01:35:46,260 --> 01:35:43,060
confirming the existence of UFOs and

1936
01:35:49,170 --> 01:35:46,270
giving us gun camera footage of the same

1937
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:49,180
and now we're seeing the topics

1938
01:35:55,500 --> 01:35:52,690
discussed on mainstream media on our

1939
01:35:58,050 --> 01:35:55,510
cable channels galore with Project Blue

1940
01:36:01,680 --> 01:35:58,060
Book you know starting its third season

1941
01:36:04,890 --> 01:36:01,690
eventually unidentified with Lou

1942
01:36:08,670 --> 01:36:04,900
Elizondo and to the Stars Academy these

1943
01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:08,680
folks are all government you know of

1944
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:11,170
retired officials that are still

1945
01:36:16,380 --> 01:36:13,930
involved in this thing and literally as

1946
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:16,390
grant Cameron has mentioned most of

1947
01:36:21,710 --> 01:36:18,970
these people that you see out there that

1948
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:21,720
are still involved in these high-level

1949
01:36:28,740 --> 01:36:25,570
programs have been so since the aviary

1950
01:36:32,310 --> 01:36:28,750
days you know decades ago they've cycled

1951
01:36:36,150 --> 01:36:32,320
through knids Robert Bigelow is bass and

1952
01:36:40,020 --> 01:36:36,160
to the stars Academy etc so we have to

1953
01:36:43,820 --> 01:36:40,030
keep asking our question is why now what

1954
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:43,830
is been the giant force behind this

1955
01:36:52,650 --> 01:36:47,290
rather quick red pilling I believe of

1956
01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:52,660
the public in this regard Shane I think

1957
01:37:00,120 --> 01:36:55,570
we wanted to bring a point whoever who

1958
01:37:06,510 --> 01:37:00,130
is speaking right now I didn't hear Oh

1959
01:37:11,070 --> 01:37:06,520
Peter please sequoias Ando and that

1960
01:37:12,419 --> 01:37:11,080
cabal of guys is as you point out

1961
01:37:15,270 --> 01:37:12,429
Michael the

1962
01:37:18,780 --> 01:37:15,280
they were made evident to the American

1963
01:37:20,970 --> 01:37:18,790
people to December 16th 2017 and since

1964
01:37:24,300 --> 01:37:20,980
that time by my calculation they have

1965
01:37:28,380 --> 01:37:24,310
revealed or released exactly two cases

1966
01:37:30,630 --> 01:37:28,390
in that same amount of time MUFON and

1967
01:37:34,830 --> 01:37:30,640
the national UFO Reporting Center and

1968
01:37:39,390 --> 01:37:34,840
many others possibly Koufos UFOs

1969
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:39,400
Northwest and so on have tens of

1970
01:37:43,890 --> 01:37:41,050
thousands of cases that they have

1971
01:37:46,649 --> 01:37:43,900
collected my question is if these guys

1972
01:37:49,830 --> 01:37:46,659
were the government's cat's meow when it

1973
01:38:00,180 --> 01:37:49,840
came to UFOs where the rest of the cases

1974
01:38:04,919 --> 01:38:00,190
that they must have good point yeah

1975
01:38:07,110 --> 01:38:04,929
so I'm generally supportive of the G TSA

1976
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:07,120
and it's because they have accomplished

1977
01:38:12,990 --> 01:38:09,730
some things that we've not seen in 70

1978
01:38:15,750 --> 01:38:13,000
years I mean the revealing of a tip is a

1979
01:38:19,110 --> 01:38:15,760
government UFO study program for example

1980
01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:19,120
or as was mentioned you know gun camera

1981
01:38:24,140 --> 01:38:22,000
footage I bet we have 70 years worth of

1982
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:24,150
gun camera footage and we've not seen it

1983
01:38:29,430 --> 01:38:26,730
and you know it is an impressive

1984
01:38:31,350 --> 01:38:29,440
compilation of folks that you know got

1985
01:38:34,860 --> 01:38:31,360
together and are participating this

1986
01:38:37,169 --> 01:38:34,870
however that being said for all the

1987
01:38:40,290 --> 01:38:37,179
reasons that both Jan and Peter

1988
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:40,300
mentioned you know at its root this

1989
01:38:46,229 --> 01:38:43,090
organization is based on intelligence

1990
01:38:49,169 --> 01:38:46,239
and I think that we have to be careful

1991
01:38:52,830 --> 01:38:49,179
and take everything that we hear with a

1992
01:38:55,979 --> 01:38:52,840
grain of salt because because of that

1993
01:38:59,010 --> 01:38:55,989
close relationship and origins to

1994
01:39:02,310 --> 01:38:59,020
intelligence which is designed to Optus

1995
01:39:03,689 --> 01:39:02,320
Kate and keep something secret they

1996
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:03,699
might have thrown us a little bit of a

1997
01:39:06,149 --> 01:39:05,170
bone here and there which great

1998
01:39:08,580 --> 01:39:06,159
appreciate it

1999
01:39:09,300 --> 01:39:08,590
they may be acknowledging UFOs are real

2000
01:39:11,189 --> 01:39:09,310
that's big

2001
01:39:16,649 --> 01:39:11,199
you know altering their reporting

2002
01:39:19,260 --> 01:39:16,659
program so again no organization is

2003
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:19,270
perfect and I think we always have to

2004
01:39:25,729 --> 01:39:23,770
have our BS meter set on high and filter

2005
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:25,739
some of this stuff but

2006
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:27,930
to some extent they've accomplished some

2007
01:39:31,010 --> 01:39:29,370
things that haven't been accomplished in

2008
01:39:34,940 --> 01:39:31,020
seven years I at least tip my hat off to

2009
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:34,950
that thank you and dr. Rena Scott did

2010
01:39:42,590 --> 01:39:36,570
you have anything you wanted to share on

2011
01:39:44,450 --> 01:39:42,600
that topic yeah I think you know about

2012
01:39:46,100 --> 01:39:44,460
because they keep track of everything is

2013
01:39:49,610 --> 01:39:46,110
flying my satellite photography and so

2014
01:39:57,800 --> 01:39:49,620
they know what's flying over where and

2015
01:40:04,100 --> 01:39:57,810
the yeah sure they possibly can and keep

2016
01:40:07,250 --> 01:40:04,110
track of everything else is my

2017
01:40:09,979 --> 01:40:07,260
understanding correct that Elizondo has

2018
01:40:12,860 --> 01:40:09,989
asserted that he was allowed to talk

2019
01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:12,870
about about his work the day after he

2020
01:40:18,590 --> 01:40:16,170
left the service even though he had a at

2021
01:40:27,650 --> 01:40:18,600
least a top-secret security clearance I

2022
01:40:29,540 --> 01:40:27,660
had one of those two bands so it seems

2023
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:29,550
strange to me that he would have been

2024
01:40:39,110 --> 01:40:35,850
cleared for discussing his work in the

2025
01:40:43,910 --> 01:40:39,120
while he was still in uniform what's

2026
01:40:48,500 --> 01:40:43,920
your thought on that Jim well I was

2027
01:40:51,050 --> 01:40:48,510
quoting the New York Times article that

2028
01:40:54,830 --> 01:40:51,060
said most of this stuff is unclassified

2029
01:40:56,630 --> 01:40:54,840
and then I expected well let's go to a

2030
01:41:00,920 --> 01:40:56,640
couple of these conferences and listen

2031
01:41:05,150 --> 01:41:00,930
to this guy and you know he talks he's

2032
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:05,160
very entertaining and he he's a very

2033
01:41:10,100 --> 01:41:06,690
charming let's put it that way

2034
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:10,110
and but he says very you know and when

2035
01:41:16,850 --> 01:41:12,719
you get to the end of his presentation

2036
01:41:24,220 --> 01:41:16,860
what is he told you almost nothing very

2037
01:41:26,930 --> 01:41:24,230
little stuff comes up the the Huntsville

2038
01:41:29,300 --> 01:41:26,940
conference he got they they got to ask

2039
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:29,310
questions down there but they had to be

2040
01:41:35,810 --> 01:41:33,810
submitted in in advance and of course

2041
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:35,820
the the government is constantly

2042
01:41:39,570 --> 01:41:39,090
contradicting what he's saying he's a he

2043
01:41:49,950 --> 01:41:39,580
told

2044
01:41:52,020 --> 01:41:49,960
but feel that the the his a hundred 100%

2045
01:41:54,420 --> 01:41:52,030
of his time was spent on UFOs and of

2046
01:41:57,120 --> 01:41:54,430
course the government said first of all

2047
01:42:02,430 --> 01:41:57,130
he didn't have any connection with a a

2048
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:02,440
IDP and second in it it had nothing to

2049
01:42:07,620 --> 01:42:05,890
do with UFOs I mean you know also I

2050
01:42:12,060 --> 01:42:07,630
could say about the government is they

2051
01:42:14,850 --> 01:42:12,070
never tell the truth yeah presented with

2052
01:42:19,650 --> 01:42:14,860
this this observation that you make Jim

2053
01:42:23,550 --> 01:42:19,660
and what yeah it's hard to you know I I

2054
01:42:25,890 --> 01:42:23,560
belong to that group that post all the

2055
01:42:28,830 --> 01:42:25,900
time but you can't say anything bad

2056
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:28,840
about him and I'm not sitting there

2057
01:42:32,130 --> 01:42:30,610
anything bad I just have some questions

2058
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:32,140
which you don't even want to ask

2059
01:42:41,250 --> 01:42:33,970
questions because they jumped on it down

2060
01:42:42,900 --> 01:42:41,260
here oh yeah I wanted to jump in here

2061
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:42,910
Jam because it sounds like you have a

2062
01:42:47,850 --> 01:42:45,130
lot of angst and emotion about that

2063
01:42:49,770 --> 01:42:47,860
topic I know I do I might not I might

2064
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:49,780
come across as being monotone about it

2065
01:42:54,330 --> 01:42:51,610
believe me I feel the same way you do in

2066
01:42:56,160 --> 01:42:54,340
many respects I wanted to ask Earl if he

2067
01:42:59,190 --> 01:42:56,170
shared the same sentiment or if you have

2068
01:43:04,320 --> 01:42:59,200
any other insight on this topic you

2069
01:43:05,430 --> 01:43:04,330
wanted to share with us think so well

2070
01:43:08,580 --> 01:43:05,440
one thing I think you have to remember

2071
01:43:11,250 --> 01:43:08,590
about a tip is that they are predisposed

2072
01:43:12,540 --> 01:43:11,260
to see they're looking for threats I

2073
01:43:17,670 --> 01:43:12,550
mean it was originally a threat

2074
01:43:20,730 --> 01:43:17,680
assessment group and their Pentagon you

2075
01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:20,740
know there it was at origin in the

2076
01:43:26,130 --> 01:43:23,410
Pentagon so I mean I guess you kind of

2077
01:43:29,010 --> 01:43:26,140
want them to be protecting us right

2078
01:43:31,350 --> 01:43:29,020
that's what the Pentagon does but I

2079
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:31,360
think it's kind of unfortunate that that

2080
01:43:37,890 --> 01:43:35,170
is carried on into their civilian you

2081
01:43:42,590 --> 01:43:37,900
know quote unquote group you know to the

2082
01:43:46,140 --> 01:43:42,600
Stars Academy because listening to

2083
01:43:48,270 --> 01:43:46,150
listening to the various players and and

2084
01:43:50,190 --> 01:43:48,280
having heard a couple of them speak at

2085
01:43:52,860 --> 01:43:50,200
alien Con and things like that

2086
01:43:53,370 --> 01:43:52,870
I mean they do admit that you know it's

2087
01:43:55,919 --> 01:43:53,380
a threat

2088
01:44:00,709 --> 01:43:55,929
assessment group originally is what it

2089
01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:00,719
came from so you know they're kind of

2090
01:44:09,870 --> 01:44:08,170
presupposing that it's a threat okay

2091
01:44:12,780 --> 01:44:09,880
great thank you so much I wanted to

2092
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:12,790
until our listeners a little bit about a

2093
01:44:20,450 --> 01:44:16,570
Peter Davenport and that is a Peter

2094
01:44:24,750 --> 01:44:20,460
actually spent time and seeing the the

2095
01:44:27,510 --> 01:44:24,760
McMinnville Oregon a UFO festival that

2096
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:27,520
McMinn immense hotel I had it there in

2097
01:44:32,610 --> 01:44:30,610
Oregon and he was there with a lot of

2098
01:44:36,510 --> 01:44:32,620
folks that we actually know very well a

2099
01:44:38,879 --> 01:44:36,520
Honda Rojas Karen Burrard Michael W Hall

2100
01:44:41,850 --> 01:44:38,889
and his son and we actually had the

2101
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:41,860
privilege and a pleasure of being able

2102
01:44:49,050 --> 01:44:45,730
to interview all of those folks also we

2103
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:49,060
were able to interview Phoenix MUFON the

2104
01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:52,210
the team that actually went over there

2105
01:44:56,729 --> 01:44:54,850
to go listen to Peter speak and all the

2106
01:44:59,100 --> 01:44:56,739
rest of the wonderful speakers that were

2107
01:45:00,660 --> 01:44:59,110
there at that conference but anyway

2108
01:45:02,340 --> 01:45:00,670
Peter Davenport has been the director of

2109
01:45:03,629 --> 01:45:02,350
the national UFO Reporting Center since

2110
01:45:05,939 --> 01:45:03,639
1994

2111
01:45:09,209 --> 01:45:05,949
Peter reports UFO sighting cases

2112
01:45:11,790 --> 01:45:09,219
regularly on the Jeff rents radio show

2113
01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:11,800
and other shows he presents lectures on

2114
01:45:16,020 --> 01:45:14,170
specific UFO cases most notably the

2115
01:45:18,330 --> 01:45:16,030
Phoenix lights sighting in addition to

2116
01:45:20,970 --> 01:45:18,340
being the director of the national UFO

2117
01:45:22,620 --> 01:45:20,980
Reporting Center Peter has served as a

2118
01:45:24,959 --> 01:45:22,630
director of investigations for the

2119
01:45:27,899 --> 01:45:24,969
Washington Center a chapter of the

2120
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:27,909
mutual UFO network also he received his

2121
01:45:32,160 --> 01:45:30,010
undergraduate education at Stanford

2122
01:45:34,010 --> 01:45:32,170
University in California where he earned

2123
01:45:37,560 --> 01:45:34,020
a bachelor's degree in both Russian and

2124
01:45:40,709 --> 01:45:37,570
biology as well as a translators a

2125
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:40,719
certificate in Russian translation his

2126
01:45:44,129 --> 01:45:42,730
graduate education was completed at the

2127
01:45:47,070 --> 01:45:44,139
University of Washington in Seattle

2128
01:45:49,709 --> 01:45:47,080
where he earned an MS degree in the

2129
01:45:51,780 --> 01:45:49,719
genetics and biochemistry of fish from

2130
01:45:54,030 --> 01:45:51,790
the college of fisheries as well as an

2131
01:45:55,740 --> 01:45:54,040
MBA degree in finance and international

2132
01:45:58,760 --> 01:45:55,750
business from the Graduate School of

2133
01:46:01,379 --> 01:45:58,770
Business not a lot of people know your

2134
01:46:02,729 --> 01:46:01,389
extensive background regarding education

2135
01:46:04,750 --> 01:46:02,739
Peter I think it's really important for

2136
01:46:07,510 --> 01:46:04,760
people to know that

2137
01:46:10,210 --> 01:46:07,520
thank you for reading that I'm not sure

2138
01:46:13,120 --> 01:46:10,220
how much of any of what you've said has

2139
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to do with my work and ufology except in

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the general sense but it's been a long

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torturous past that has led me to being

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a UFO investigator my my first sighting

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was in I think July of 1954 I've talked

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about it on Michael halls Michael W

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halls program and elsewhere but thanks

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for sharing that information with the

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other people on the line and great Peter

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thank you it was a pleasure and a

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privilege having you on our show today

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we certainly hope to have you on again

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and also wanted to just think our

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wonderful panelists who have spent their

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lives to the UFO dedicated to the UFO

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topic and we appreciate you very much

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and we look forward to having you on the

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this is Peter again I just want to

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compliment all those people have been on

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this on this program because it

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represents a lot of experience and a lot

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of competency in the field of ufology

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UFO research all right in Frankel so

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thank you very much for giving us a

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forum to talk here thanks everybody I

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appreciate it and are we good it's not

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about it yes and we appreciate everybody

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here so thank you if everybody wants to

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chime in and say goodbye here's your

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opportunity thank you I would like to I

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just like to say to to both Peter and

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Jen that you guys are the Giants on

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whose shoulders many of us stand today

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and I just really want to thank you for

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all your efforts and your commitment and

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diligence and hard work that's you're

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well thanks everybody yeah thanks for

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tuning in and we'll be back with another

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show at some point down the road thanks

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a lot enjoyed the rest of your weekend